Behind-the-Scenes: Podcast Tools and Production Process

Welcome to the Small Business big mindset Podcast, where we dive into tactical strategies to grow your business. And to make an impact on this world. A huge part of success is keeping your mindset and vision on track. So this is a major part of our process. And this podcast, let's do this. Hey, Erin here, welcome to the mall Business big mindset odcast. So in this episode, t's super exciting, we are oing to go over all of the ools that we use to produce the odcast. So from the hardware nd software, everything in etween, I have Joey here as a, guess, a guest to kind of let us know what, what he uses. And I'll pop in because I have a role in some of this as well. But back in Episode 51, I went over my podcast content process, if you haven't listened to that yet, hop on over there, to kind of get the behind the scenes of how I booked guests how I create the content, I just I kind of go into the nitty gritty a lot of lessons learned over this year of podcasting. But in this one we wanted to go over like the the tools, the hardware, the software, the process that we use. So I have Joey here, like I mentioned, because he is instrumental in that aspect of our podcast process. So Joey, do you want to say hello, and kind of kick it off what you want to start covering? Yeah. So um, when we first started the Erin ant to do a podcast, it was, I as very excited, because, you now, I knew anything she does sually comes out really great. nd then I was also able to help er use some of my skills that I ave, you know, I know, we've alked about in previous odcasts that I am a musician,'ve been playing, you know, ercussion and, you know, music, ince I was like, 12 1112, you now, years old, and even ecording back then with, you now, boom boxes and old quipment that we could just crounge together, I just always ad this passion for recording, usic and so forth. So it was wesome when she mentioned that he wanted to do this podcast. Because I could, I could I could do some recording. And it was also, you know, voices doing mainly recording voices was was like sort of new, you know, new for me, I had had done some before, but it's not as much as I've done with, you know, drums and guitar, and so forth. So, um, I already have been using Pro Tools, and it's coming, you know, I was like thinking about how long and now it's 23 years I've been using Pro Tools. That's what we use to record the podcasts, there are a lot of audio software out there that just cater to podcasts. And I think that's just for people who are not, we don't have this, you know, skill set on using this other software, I stuck with Pro Tools just because I know it. And I know it just like my workflow is just so much faster with it. But you know, I'm not saying that this is the software you have to use for podcasting, because there's a lot of great software out there, a lot of great podcast, don't use this, you know, software, Pro Tools is pretty pricey. It's not, you know, the cheapest, the cheapest tool you can get, there is a free version that you do that you can get it is a little limited. But if you do decide to you know, use Pro Tools, you can but there are a ton of other, you know, podcasting pieces of software, you really just need a software that's able to talk to hardware that can connect to microphones, you know, and that you can, you know, talk into and record it. Some people even do it on their iPhone, you know, as just using that recording thing, it's just, it's just that the quality is a little different, you get more options when you were able to do it with a, you know, piece of software. So that's the main, the main piece of software that we use as Pro Tools to get everything in into our audio podcast. When we first started doing the podcast, we weren't expecting to do as many remote podcasts as we do, meaning the guest isn't on site in the studio. So we were always, you know, thinking, Oh, they can come in? Well, you know, we can hook up the mics and it will be great. And it'll be great. So then, you know, when we did launch the podcast, it just happened COVID started. We had all the quarantine so we had to quickly shift to doing a remote podcast, you know, with guests. So we did try several different conferencing software because you do need that to be able to bring it in, you know, get the audio from the from that. Guest so we did you know we do, we tried on Microsoft Teams, and it did work it just the sound quality at the time wasn't there. It just it just came, you know, the audio track you would get from teams. It just it just was poor quality. And it was not for quality meaning or if you listen to it on a podcast, it just sounds a little harsh. It sounds fine if you're on a conference call just because you're just trying to get what they're saying, you know, translated so we did try that we also did try another one called ringer. And it was we at the time that it was released, I don't know if it was just because COVID just started, a lot of people were using it, but it wasn't as stable, meaning the connections would drop, and so forth. So we ended up using zoom. And that's what we still use. Now we have a zoom pro account. And so that that has been actually successful, the audio file you get is pretty, it's pretty good. It does already some of the the noise cancelling and some of the gating, which means, gating means where it's, you know, sort of turns off the sections of people when they're not talking, so you don't get all that noise in the background. So it does a pretty good job of doing that. And it also lets you save your conference call as separate audio files for each guest. And that's important when we come down to like mixing the podcast, at least for me. And what that means is it you know, if you have, you know, john doe and, and you know, Robert Smith on a conference call, when you save them, those files, it'll give you two different audio files, one of them for each guest, just so you can, you know, mix them and one of them may have more noise, and you need to take noise out of that, versus if they were together in one file, you would, it would just be harder to to, you know, get those sound even in Great. So that's really the, the main software part of the the how we do the podcast. The next part is really the hardware that we use. And again, I already had had a lot of this hardware. on here, we actually use Focusrite. Pro 14, we have a I have a couple of them, we have, you know, we only need one because it's only usually one or two mics plugged in right now. But that's just goes FireWire to our MacBook Pro that I use for recording. And it just goes in there. And that's actually what Pro Tools will see you know, as the microphones and be able to be bring in and record. So that's the main, I guess you would say audio interface that I use here. And again, we also for our streaming, video, sort of getting off the off topic. But for that for a podcast, you know, really just having two guests, we also are due to use another Focusrite Scarlett, ti two, I believe it what it is, is USB, and it just has two inputs, which is great. And that's what that's what we use for the video streaming for the audio shotgun mic to use. But you could use that also, as you know, as audio interface and that is also something we would use as a backup. So if something you know happened with this other one, you know, we would be able to have some other way of doing that. So the next part of that is also microphones. So we purchased for the podcast, this parent company of Gibson guitars, they created these mics called neat and 80 mics. And they're actually pretty, they're not they actually just don't sound good. That's actually what i'm talking through right now is one of the king bee neat microphones. And they look really cool. They actually look like little bees because they're blackened and yellow. And they come with a built in pop filter, which is pretty important too. If you are going to be recording, you know, with a microphone with your voice, it's just generally good to have some kind of pop filter around it so that you don't get those harsh, you know, pops and you know those deep, deep sort of buds from your voice, you know, the air hitting the the microphone. And then another nice thing that these microphones have are a shock filter or a shock mount, not discharge filter or a shock mount. So if you do bump the microphone stand, you won't hear it come through as as much. So those are pretty cool mics. I know for a while they were harder to find. And I just when I was doing this podcast, I looked up and it looks like they they got acquired by turtlebeach. So the company is taking over the neat mic, so you'll probably see new ones coming out soon, I believe and then, but that's the mics we use on Erin's voice for her, we sually use this u 87. Mic that I actually it's a clone that I created by microphone parts. They sell kits that are the components they use in these, you know, industry standard, you know, condenser microphones, for vocals, they're called the UA sevens. And they're made by a company called Newman. Newman, sorry, and they're, they're very, they're very expensive. But if you have some kind of, you know, electronics skills, soldering, you can get this kit and you can build it yourself. And that's what I actually did. And I use that actually for vocal recording before we did the podcast, and we were using the neat mics with Erin voice for a hile. But one of the things hat I've learned from you know, ifferent singers and also other ngineers is that microphones re sort of there also. It's not ust the microphone you get it lso is the depth of different erson's voice. The microphone orks better with different oices. So it just happened that feel that you 87 with Erin's v ice, just Sounds a little bit smoother and more natural. So that's what we actually use for Erin's voice. nd it was great because it was ike a puzzle, you know, you get puzzle, then you get to get his microphone afterward. So ne of the things are fun with lectronics. So those are really he, that's the microphone that e use, we let's see, what is another another part of the microphones I know, that's, that's pretty, we're going to be getting into the processing of it afterward. But just for the bait main main part, that's, that's really, you know, the hardware that we use, recording wise mean, we have microphones stands, but you know, that's nothing really everybody will will have those. So, another part of I guess, I don't know, if you would consider this hardware but is in in our studio, I, we created these, these acoustic panels. And what those are good for is if you're if you have a big room, and it's you, if you ever, if you've ever moved like to a new apartment or a new house, and you go into the room for the first time, or you're looking around, you know, you're when you're first looking at the apartment to see if you are the house that you want to buy. And see if you if you want to go in there, it's very echoey. And you walk around, you could feel hear your footsteps echoing. And if you you know, clap in there, you hear it, you know ricocheting so that's really what these acoustic panels prevent is that ricocheting and that echoing, it helps it absorb those sounds and stop them, so that the microphone doesn't pick them up multiple times and hear that echoing and it just makes it a cleaner sound. So we have these panels that we've created. And we've actually created a little PDF on how to make them yourself if you like. But they're, they're great because we use those both for the live streaming, video streaming, so that her you know, doesn't reflect in that room that she's in and also in the studio just helps it with the acoustics and not sound as you know, echoey in here. So those are another great thing to do. Another thing I've seen people do is you could record your vocals in a walk in closet. And that's great, because you have all these clothes around you. And it absorbs all that sound, we actually did that with one of my my friend recorded a little mini album. And when we recorded it, we we did that at her house, we put the microphones in her walking closet, and it sounded great. So that's another another thing and it also helps you get isolated from window noise from outside or, you know, you know, your dogs barking, you hopefully you're far away. That's another thing is trying to get away from all that noise. You know, like for us we, we have Windows bias and I do have more sound panels on those. But then we also do close the drapes and puts in and block the windows of the dogs don't go and see the Amazon truck coming by or a dog being walked inside and start barking all of a sudden. And that still does happen because they still hear things. But that helps it. Another thing that we do in the process is we turn off the air conditioner or the heater. Because the depending on the microphones, more of the sensitive microphones like the condensers, they'll they'll pick up that that hiss and that that air noise coming in through the vents. So that's one thing that we try to remember to do before we start recording on that. So another another important thing to do on the guest side. So if you are doing a remote session with somebody on a conference call, um, we try to we usually try to ask the guests beforehand, if they can make sure they have headphones. And even when we get on it, we just try to remind if we notice, we don't really see them with headphones, and we just or we can't see them at all, because they don't have video on we just will just ask again Do you have headphones on. And the importance on that is if somebody is using their laptop, and they're having the conference call, that audio that you're getting from the conference call software will sometimes bring in your voice talking through it. So when you're trying to mix it down the line, you hear both voices and it's very hard to edit that out. And sometimes it just distracts from it because it'll sound like it's an echo from, you know, your voice coming through their audio. So that's the important part. If you do have them have headphones, it isolates that and none of that, that, you know, vocal from your voice will be coming through their microphone because it's just going straight to their ears. That's just another important one just helping you you know, with your mix down the line, so it's not as much work. Um, that's really the hardware that we that we have. I mean, Erin has a laptop hat she usually looks in her otes. I have actually Rashid ring that bring that up to so I ave a second laptop that I do. his is another important one hat I know we learned the hard ay. We're gonna learn the hard way it actually saved us. So what I do is I have my my work my digital work workstation running, separate that MacBook Pro that's recording using Pro Tools. So it's recording Erin's oice and then it's also ecording the recording that I'm getting from the conference. Seeing software. So I have a second laptop on my desk that is actually connected to the conference call. So I'm on, I'm on the conference call too. And I can hear all the voices and that audio is going into Pro Tools. So I'm recording, not only Erin, but I'm also ecording the conference call ith all the voices, Erin's v ice, and then the guests voice a d so forth. And that's as a b ckup. So it's a backup, b cause the conferencing s ftware, you usually say, r cord this conference, and i'll record it in the b ckground. So I started doing this from the beginning, because I was thinking that the audio software, or the or the conferencing software would have problems and not really recorded or something would happen, and it wouldn't, I wouldn't get the recording from them, then we wouldn't have anything. So what this would do is it was recording the conference conference called real time also. So I could use that as a backup. But one thing that we found also, that helps if you have this is if you forget to tell the conference software to record the conference call, we actually did that once and it was saved that that we actually had that other, you know, track that was recording real time. So that's another pointer, I would say is always have that secondary, you may not ever use it, but you know, there's going to be a time where that might happen, where, you know, for some reason the conferencing software didn't didn't save it correctly, or they, they didn't encode it and you get it back in, it's an error, and there's nothing you can do. So I would that would be my another recommendation that would that we would, you know, say is always make sure you have a backup know of the audio that is coming in. That's another big one. So another another thing I would say is also if you are typing, to try to be a little bit softer, or maybe use a different keyboard, or try to move the keyboard away from your microphone as much as possible, so that you don't have to deal with that. And I don't think we've really had that issue, but I just I know that I've, you know, read up on podcasts. And that's another thing where people will mention, you know, to just be careful with the with with keyboards, because a lot of them you know, some people like those mechanical keyboards that are very loud. So that's one thing to, to, just to be careful with. Or a pointer on that. Um, within our Pro Tools, how I talked, we also created templates. So if you already know that you're going to be recording these a couple of times, templates come in Great. So what it is, is it sort of a it's a template file. Ours has our intro and our outro. And it also has our music, our podcast music, already by default, and it even has Erin's vocal track and the aptop's conferencing call, you now, track that's already there eady. So we can have that. So t's very easy, I just say open ew and I say template, and I ename it to whatever the odcast is going to be. And then t's great because then it opens p and it has all that already et up. You don't have to go and rag the intro and the outro and he theme music in there and hen go and add a separate, you now, add another track for rin's voice, and then add a other track for the laptop. I's just great. It's just s reamlines everything. And t at's what we actually do with o r with Pro Tools in our t mplates. And also other s ftware has those template t mplates. If it doesn't, what y u could always do is create a f le as you want, you know, the i tro, outro, and so forth, and t en save it as template. And t en what you do is you just m ke a copy of it every time y u're going to start another, y u know, podcasts, you just you k ow, make a copy, and then r name it, whatever and then o en it and you're good to go. T at's really all the templates d ing just another pointer of w at we're doing. So once we get t at all taken care of what w'll start doing is we will s art mixing the tracks. And w at I mean by that is what I'll d is I'll listen to Erin's vo ce, and what I usually th re's a couple of effects that I ut on this and and a lot of po casting software will will ha e this automated meaning it ll sort of do a general you kn w, e queuing and compression and you know, different effects. Now I'll go over some of those that that we apply to the voice it'll do those by default and it doesn't you know, they do pretty decent jobs. Um, it's just me being more of the audio, you know, working on audio for a while that I've I've learned a little things you know, about EQ and to make it sound better. So one of the things the first thing I do with Erin's voice is ctually in any of the voices is apply an EQ and with the EQ is nd it's sort of like the treble nd bass on your, on your car stereo or your stereo where you want to, you know, have a little bit maybe the highs a little bit higher or the lows a little bit lower on voices, you generally want to take out the very low frequencies or the you know, the the low sounds. It just doesn't really help and it just brings a lot of rumble into your mix. And then even the highs you don't really want a lot of highs in your in your voice. And so there's there's sort of a little science and an art and every voice is different. So you can't just Make You know, like a preset and then set it, it'll probably get to a good spot. But that's what I'm saying those automated ones, to me, they're great for people who don't have the want to learn about, you know, getting this done and just want to get a podcast done, those are fine. But if you know just to get it to that, it'll get the voice a little bit sounding a little bit better, you can do that. But I usually do an EQ first on all the voices. And then after I do that, I will put a compressor on the voice. And that just helps it level out. So what a compressor does is it sort of evens out the whole voice, where if you may be talking lower, and you know, they may get a little bit quieter when they're talking, and then they start talking up, it'll sort of level that out automatically for you. And it'll just make the voice sound even when your guests are listening to it and the headphone or the car, there's not these dramatic, you know, spikes in volume. So I usually do that. And then after that I'll add a noise gate and a de Esser to the voice with the noise gate does is it's not really getting rid of noise, I guess you would just call it a gate. But it's sort of opening and closing just like a door. And what that means is when the voice you're hearing somebody talk, it's open, you know, so that the sound comes out. But once it starts hitting a certain level of the words low, it'll actually sort of mute it. So that there's not these little like, if there's paper shuffling, and so forth, it won't come through in the audio signal, and it just helps you with a better cleaner mix. So that's what I usually will put at the gate. And then a de Esser sort of gets rid of, oh, there was banded parking, you probably can't hear. But the de Esser that that will do is it takes up the s, like the little high SS of people's voices, I'm sure you might have heard of it. But that is another thing that I do, just as taste of what I want to sort of, you know, get in there get to have the voice sounding better. And I'll generally do that with all the tracks on the remote, the remote tracks that I get the effects, there's a little bit more effects or cleaning up that I have to do on them. Let me let me hold on, I don't know how long, it's gonna park. Sorry about that. I'm just keep going. Because we don't really mind on that. So what when we get the audio files from like zoom or from whatever and we get them, what generally happens is there's gonna be some some noise. And also, there is also some artifacts that you get from just them, compressing it, and streaming it and so forth on over the internet. And those artifacts, they sort of sound like they're just really bad sounding pitches within it. So I use an EQ to sort of find those, find all of those, like I put another EQ on it, to sort of find those frequencies that just are really harsh, and I just take them all down, that that'll be more of a detail, but I'm just giving you a generalization of what I will do with those files. Because they do have that another tool that I just got it's a that's such a such a great thing is a noise remover. And this is this tool is really made for removing, like if you have air conditioner, if you forget to turn it off, and it'll remove that, that sound of that air. Or if you do get those, you know, audio files from the conferencing software, and it has a lot of like noise in the background. Or if somebody is recording in a noisy spot, what this software does is it analyzes the signal, the sound signal and a look at it'll you'll tell it where that noise really is and apart where they're not talking. And they'll remove it. And it's so nice, because it's so much easier to make the vocal tract sound so much better. So that's really, really what I do. And then once I get all the cueing done, I just try to get all the voice levels are about the same. And this is not necessarily meaning. Like if one voice is at, you know, two, and then one's at four, and you bought them both at two, that's not necessarily what I what I mean, it's really listening. And looking at the you know, they usually have these meters telling you how, how loud they are, but trying to make sure that they sound evenly when when they start talking back and forth. So one's not louder or more quieter than the other, just to make it better for the listener to be able to hear that. And even with the outro and Intro Music trying to get that all balanced where you know, outro I try not to have too much music coming through so you could still hear or understand what Erin's saying n the outro or the guests are saying while the music is coming into the outro. So that's just another part of the mixing process that I do. Once I do that, I do save it off as like a CD quality WAV file. And then the next step on that we do is we do mastering and mastering just sort of puts the audio you know your podcast, audio just to another level. It does another level of EQ enough cueing and compressing it as a whole just to make it sound the best it can was so when you post it on other media sites, you know it'll it'll just it'll just sound better. And we use lander. We've been you I use this before the podcast before We had the podcast just to master my music and that I was recording. And it does a great job. It actually, it was founded by engineers and the engineers actually came up with this algorithm that it uses for the software. So it makes it very natural, not like one of those ones where it just really compresses it because over compression just makes it just sort of sound flattened, not that great, but does a pretty good job, I've been very happy with it. That's so that's what we use for mastering and a lot of podcast hosts podcasting hosts, software, and even some software that you can get for podcasting may have like a mastering plugin in it. But it just again, this is what I've been using. And this is what I want I'm familiar with, that's what I've used, I'm not saying this is the best one to ever use. You can also even get somebody to master it for you, if you can find you know, a person that will do them. And to be able to do them in your in the timeframe you can. But there are people that that that's what they do is they do mastering and mixing for you on that you could send it off to. So that's what that's what we get done after. And then after I master it after we master it. Um, what the next step that I do is I upload it to our transcribing service. And there's a ton of them out there, too. We used we just happen to use otter IO. And what that does is it it makes text out of all everybody's you know what they're saying. So it's, it's great. Because then you could upload that to when you upload your podcast, you could also upload that transcribing file, so that your podcast will have that transcribed and edit that trans. Put it What would you say trends? scribed, I guess. But yeah, I don't know. Um, I know, it's very helpful to with metadata, but I know Erin, you now, really? Yeah, you could alk about about what you think f the transcribing? Yeah, it as really great. Because when I aw I writes the show notes, ight, for every episode. So I o I do that part of the process here I create a page for every ingle episode, I add it to our odcast hub at Muscle reative.com slash podcast. So once the file is ready, on buzzsprout, I will, you know, write the show notes. And I used to listen to the episode in real time, after, you know, Joey gives me the recorded file, and make my notes, you know, and I do have a well oiled machine. As far as if you look at our show notes, they're all the same format of like, the flow of the conversation, you know, like, how they started, how they shifted, how the guest, you know, what they learned, like the actions taken, all that kind of stuff. So it's very organized. But still, it was very time consuming. So a lot of our guests episodes, you know, the average, probably 40 to 50 minutes. And so I was listening, I would listen to each episode in real time, take my notes, and then go back and organize my notes, and you know, and then build the page. And so it was time consuming. So with the transcription, it's great, because I don't need to do that anymore. Sometimes I'll go back and listen, if I'm like, not sure, like, you know, because the transcription tools aren't perfect. If I'm like, What the heck is that word. So I'll go back. And maybe I'll listen to the episode, just for that one part. But for the most part, I just go through the transcription text, and I can copy and paste into my into my notes and organize it that way. You know, and like, Yes, I have to, you know, improve spelling or grammar, that sort of thing. But it really does cut down on on my end of the production process of publishing each episode. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, it was, it was so nice to see those how those those work is working great and making it easier on Erin, you know, to be able to o that. So that that's another art of the process that we do on there. So like I said, is, after we get it transcribed, we will upload that, you know, mastered audio file to buzzsprout is what we use for our podcasts. And what's great about them is a meme a lot like a lot of other podcasting services is they'll actually, you know, send it out to all the other services like apple and Spotify and, you know, Google Play and, and all of the services out there, so we don't have to deal with any of that. We just get that up there. And then you know, it just does it. So that's another part of the process. Another big one that I do do is after actually after, actually I mix it, so after I'm done, you know, mixing it, and I'm about to send it to mastering on my computer that I use Pro Tools with, I have this software that backs it up to a secondary hard drive just so that I have that, you know, I'm just paranoid. I mean, me being in it. You know, that's my, that's my background is being in technology and so forth. I'm having a backup is always just so important. So I have a secondary drive that it actually this this gets mirrored to after I complete that session mixing it. So after it's mastered and transcribed, because then the mastering file is a new file that I have, it is available still in the lander service that mastered file, they keep them up there. But I just mean, you know, being an IT not wanting to have all my eggs in one basket, when I get that mastered file, what I do is we use Office 365 for our back end office, you know, email and so forth. And there is I'm sure everyone's heard of Microsoft Teams. But there's a way that you can within your team, you have sort of a file depository. So what I've done is we've created a podcast file depository, and I copy all of the master files to that as a backup. So I do that and I do the transcribing file, I had to transcribe the file of that podcast episode, I make a copy up there. So for whatever reason, we need that file, we need to go back back to it for some reason, maybe down the line, we decided to switch podcast host or something, we don't have to go and go back to Pro Tools and launch everything and do this all over, we have those mastered files, we just have to re upload them. So I do that. After I get those done, make sure that those are all copied up. And then me just being extra paranoid, I have a separate file or on our at our house, that I copy those again to again, just to have another copy. So just in case, you know, we get rid of office 365, or we need to get to it and they're having problems or for some reason, I can still get to it locally on our local computer or local little network attached storage. So that's really after that, then that episode is done. I do have we do have a checklist. It's an HTML checklist when we I should have said this at the very beginning, when we do do record the podcasts, I actually have a checklist that that says like did you you know, record enable the Pro Tools tracks? Did you mute the tracks? So you don't hear a lot of delay? Are you recording? You know, do you hit record on the conferencing software, which that was one that we learned the hard way is we forgot to record the software. So that's another checkbox. And another one is like, you know, did you save? Did you make sure to back it up? Did you you know, so there's this we just have a checklist. So I would always recommend having a checklist and going through it every time. It's just like, you know, NASA when they launch they have that checklist that they do. And it just does help because there's times where I have forgotten to do something or forgot to check a level on something. And it does that checklist just saved me from having to, you know, not have that thing done. And it not sounding great. That's just another part of the of our process that we do. I know it's really talking about hardware, but it was really just the process on this end that I take care of, you know, when I'm doing the recording. So yeah, that's, I think, I don't know, Erin did. Is there anything lse that you remember that I ight have? You know, no, I hink that's a really omprehensive view. And so what e'll do is we'll put the pisode out there. And if here's any questions I you now, around what Joey went ver, and or, you know, if ou're like, Oh, I wish they ould have covered XYZ, I'm nterested in this part of the rocess, and we left it out, let s know, just send us a note at ello at Muscle creative.com. nd we will do a follow up pisode with with any of that. nd I do want to mention, for he audio panels, I will include link on the show notes page so hat you can grab that kind of IY steps Joey put together a reat guide of how to create hem, as he mentioned. And so'll I'll be sure to stick the ink to that on the show notes. o you guys can grab that. I hank you for listening home. I now I went pretty long on this. here's other parts I could robably could have gotten more etail in but, you know, I just anted to try to get the high evel things out there. And you now, maybe some other episodes, e could, you know, go into like ore details of the vocal rocessing and different things ecause there are some things hat I've learned that I feel, ou know, to me hearing some odcasts out there, like, Oh, I ish they would have done this ifferently or whatever it might ave just been they're pretty imple things. Yeah. So send us note. Whether it's through mail or through Instagram, acebook, what have you, and we ill touch on anything else that ou guys want to know about the rocess. So hope you guys njoyed it and we will see you n the next episode. Thanks for tuning in to the Small Business big mindset podcast. To keep the fun going. Check out our Facebook group start and scale an online business For even more free trainings and resources from fellow entrepreneurs. If you haven't already, head on over to Muscle Creative COMM And click subscribe to join our email list for weekly updates. 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