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Erin Geiger: 0:10

Welcome everybody to another episode of clover. Thank you for tuning in this week, we have Emily Gupton. And do you go by Gupton? Or what do you go by for your dream? Okay, cool. Because I've seen, I don't know. For some reason I feel like I saw somewhere like a hyphenated version, so I wasn't sure. Oh, it's good. Okay, cool. Well, thank you for taking the time. You're one of the busiest women I know on the planet. I feel like you have your very experienced hands in so many different buckets, so I really do appreciate it. And on that, I tend to just jump in on these things. And so I you have such a storied background, and you do have so much experience at different areas, and you help so much in the Austin community. So, you know, disclaimer, Emily and I are both in the Austin area, and I actually met Emily through Austin women in tech and such as one of the many things that you have built and grown. So anyway, let's start at the beginning. What makes Emily Emily and how did you come to be where you are today?

Unknown: 1:24

Yeah, you know, I think what makes me me,

Emily Gupton: 1:28

and the biggest thing that probably impacted my journey, but I didn't realize until later in life, was my love of people and knowing what they do, and people all do such different, unique, interesting things, and that's really a passion of mine, so that's been a very big, big part of my journey. But I grew up in Dallas. I've been a Texas person almost my entire life, spent some time in Houston, and now I'm in Austin, and I absolutely love it here. I'm obsessed with the community and the city, and when I was in Dallas, I went to the University of Texas at Dallas, studied neuroscience and business as my undergrad, played golf and worked in radiology for about eight to 10 years in a variety of different roles. And thought I was going to be a doctor, and then realized that that was not a good fit for me, and so I packed up with my husband and we moved to Houston, I didn't have a job, didn't really know what I wanted to do. I was like, Yeah, I'm gonna be in healthcare for the rest of my life. And then somebody came to me that I met through an event, and they were like, hey, project management is a transferable skill. You should take this random job in commercial furniture and construction in the project management field. And I was like, cool, that sounds great while I'm trying I'm trying to find my healthcare job. And so I did that, and essentially have been adjacent to that industry since then, haven't looked back. Didn't know what a vendor was, didn't know what a purchase order was, didn't know how to read a floor plan. Like it was a really wild transition, but super fun. And I did that for about five years, did a lot of data analytics, reporting, software implementations for a company like I started to kind of like, have this technology operations passion through my work. And came to Austin, oh my gosh, right before covid. So was that like six years ago now, and came to work for a company here in Austin called SKG, their commercial furniture dealership, and under the leadership of Beth Goff McMillan, she's our CEO. And on my journey there, I became Chief of Staff and did special projects and all kinds of things. And she was like, Hey, we should build technology to service our clients. Clients want this B to C experience. We should meet them there. And so we started to go through that process, and then covid happened, and we made a big pivot, and actually built a SaaS platform that we sell nationwide to commercial furniture dealers, architecture and design firms, and then some some real estate players in the commercial space, which was a wild experience. And now that's just hanging out. It's called folio. We've got it in revenue. It's out in the world. And I moved back over in August to SKG and the role of CTO. So I manage everything from our hardware, software, network infrastructure, like our offices, low voltage stuff and like AV AI implementation, like what that looks like for our company. So I went from building a development like heavy tech platform to service professional services company helping our teams use technology in the most efficient way possible. And, and I love it. So here I am.

Erin Geiger: 4:28

That's awesome. I feel like you went full circle from like the technology of like neuroscience and healthcare, now the technology and, you know, computers and you know, kind of what we use, um, every day, which is pretty incredible. You mentioned a few different pivots and shifts in your career. Can we talk a little bit about that? Because I think there's so many women that are listening that are wanting to make a change, or, you know, not sure how to do it, or, you know, and like, maybe they started down like you did. You're like, I'm going to be. Be a physician, like, this is the route I'm, I'm going down. And you're like, you know, like, you know, drama and drama break. We're gonna, we're gonna switch that. How? How did you, first of all, like, when you've made these pivots, realize I need to make a shift, and once you did realize it, how did you take steps toward a different direction?

Unknown: 5:21

Yeah, so

Emily Gupton: 5:23

the first one, when I moved to Houston, that was really unexpected, I would say, because I, like, moved and I was like, healthcare, healthcare all the way, like, gotta find the Healthcare Job. And, I mean, leaving my job, and I didn't have a job, right? Like, my husband works remotely, so we had like, a three month period where I was trying to figure out what I wanted to do. I suppose it was a little bit terrifying, and going into a new, completely new industry, like, I cannot tell you enough I had, I had some idea of what I was doing, but I also didn't know what I didn't know. I didn't know the platforms, I didn't know the jargon. I didn't know, like the players in the market and how it all worked. Like, I didn't know commercial furniture was so incredibly expensive, like there was so much that I just had no idea. And so I've always had a love of like, learning, and I'm a very curious person, and so I just, like, dove right in, asked all the questions, learned, all the processes figured out, like figured it out. And I think that afforded me the great opportunity to go from, you know, project management to the data analytics kind of stuff that I started to do for the business, really understanding how it all kind of like worked together on the back end, and giving some really interesting visibility into reporting. So I would say curiosity, learning new skills, like not being afraid to embrace that and not being afraid to ask questions as you're navigating that change was the was part of the most important things that supported me through that transition, in addition having a really great team that I felt comfortable to ask questions and be like, I don't know what this floor plan is like. What is this random square that I'm looking at? Is it a desk? Is it a table? I don't know. And surrounding myself with people that really supported me through that transition and even building technology. So I joined Austin women in technology because Beth was like, Let's build technology. And I didn't have a technology center community. I had just moved here, like, eight months before we started that project, I, like, didn't know anybody. And then covid happened. And so luckily, AWT was a powerhouse during covid. They had like, two events a month during covid, when everybody was virtual. Some organizations kind of had the opposite thing happen to them, where they weren't really engaged during covid, because that wasn't insane time. Let's be real. And so when I made the pivot here in Austin, going from the chief of staff role to building technology, that's why I joined AWT. It's like I got to find people that have done this before. They know what they're doing. They know how to build SaaS or manage developers. And I can ask all of the insane questions, and I asked all of the insane questions, and people met me with like supportive answers. Some of them might have said, this is interesting, that you're building technology and you're asking some of these things, but it was great. It was great. It was a great experience. And I found incredible community, and also went back to school, so I didn't mention this, but when I was going through the project management centric stuff in Houston, I got my MBA at the same time, so that supported like project management, collaboration, learning way more about business and way more of the collaboration that you'll have with teams. And did a lot of group projects and things like that. And then when I did the SaaS platform here, I did a digital transformation certificate at MIT, and that taught me a lot of the more, like technical nuances. Learned how to open command lines and do things that I would have really never had the opportunity to do. So it helped me learn, whether it was through community, through education, through asking my team how to better interact with the people that I was interacting with while we were building the technology, or while I was making a transition in a more of like a corporate Technology Operations engagement role when I was in Houston. Sorry, that was long winded, but

Erin Geiger: 9:07

no, that's great. I mean, there's so much there. So how do you identify? First of all, however you're like, Okay, I feel like I found my footing in my path, but also, I'm going to go back to school and continue my education. Like, how did you kind of make that decision? How did, and also, how did you identify what to do? Like, okay, I'm gonna get my MBA and I'm gonna get the certification, you know. Like, how did you kind of narrow it down? Because I don't know about you, but I'm, like, just spammed with all of these different, like, certifications, and get this, and they get that. I did also get my MBA. In the last couple of years, I went down that path too. Yeah, there's Yeah. So there's so many things you know that that you could do. So it's like, what made you go back to education and identify those two areas to to really go, go forward?

Emily Gupton: 9:51

And yeah, that's a great question. My undergrad is very specific. Neuroscience is extremely niche. And while interest. Saying when I was looking at my master's degree pursuits, you know, I made a big pivot from the healthcare industry to commercial furniture, construction stuff, and spent a lot of time thinking about what, what would kind of be broad strokes applicable, no matter the industry, if I decided to make a change. And oh my gosh, I'm trying to think about when this was, like, maybe eight years ago, was when I graduated with that and, you know, it was wonderful. It taught me a lot of different skills, facets of business, collaborative projects, things like that. And so I was able to carry that with me no matter where I went, whether it's building technology, whether it's managing a team, whether it's working with the AWT community, it taught me a lot of those kind of interpersonal skills going through the MBA program and then sharpening my business document through some of the more technical coursework that I did in our in our capstone project. So that was a good decision, but when I was doing that, I was like, do I want to go back into science? Do I want to go back into healthcare? I actually looked at there was, like a combo MBA healthcare master's degree, and I did not do that. And honestly, like, I'm grateful for that at this juncture in my life. I love the path that I've been on, albeit not linear at all. I love where I am today and all of the things that I've learned along the way. And so I went real broad with the MBA, instead of niche in the digital transformation certificate, I spent a lot of time kind of researching different ones. I mean, MIT would be like if I went back to get a doctor for something goals, right? They're such an incredible stem focused school. And this was a blockchain was just starting to come out some really interesting new technologies, and I looked at their coursework in it, and it very much aligned with not blockchain, but some of the other things that I would need to understand at a high level when building our technology platform. And I'm sure there are other schools that offer similar things, whether in the MIT Yale Harvard aspect, or something local. But the reason I picked this one is I got to interact with there were 50 of us in the cohort across the world. So I was in a global cohort. I got to interact with people from all over the world for, I think, the nine months that we were in the in the program together, went through some really challenging kind of technical coursework, and so that was more selected from a kind of global exposure, interacting with a lot of different communities, types of people, people involved in a bunch of different work and and then having that kind of technical piece to it to Help me understand what my developers were doing, and building a technology application like it really lent itself to that, because I knew at that time that that's what we were going to be doing. So I chose that very specifically for those reasons. Yeah, I mean,

Erin Geiger: 12:52

that's genius, because there's so many times we go out, you know, and we get, you know, okay, we're gonna get this degree and or this certification, and it does not directly apply to what we are actually doing day to day in our career. So that's that's pretty clutch. Okay, great. And then so tech is typically, stereotypically, a very male dominated industry. Have you had any kind of situations where, you know, you felt like, you know, it was a tough situation because you were a woman, or we were like, I'm pretty lucky. I haven't really come across that. What has been your experience so far in your career?

Emily Gupton: 13:29

Mixed Bag. I have definitely had the moments of, you know, feeling like men, whether we were approaching them from kind of a venture capital fundraising lens, or men just being like, you don't know enough about technology to either build a SaaS platform, or even back in the day, like do data mining, data analytics like, and I didn't experience that as much until moving into to building the SaaS platform. That was an insane experience in the best way, and also had some challenging moments. So I didn't really feel that disparity until that moment in my life from a like really heavy lens. And you know, there are a couple of times where I felt very, don't know what the word is that I want to use. Felt like I was being spoken to, like I was an incapable person with anything involving, like technology or development, and that was really eye opening for me, and kind of like made me even more incredibly passionate about equity, and we're all capable humans. And so, you know, even, like my work through AWT, I mean, I'm just so epically passionate about diverse like supporting diverse communities, thought leadership, like everyone should be afforded equal opportunity. I'm a big, big proponent of equity. And so. So yeah, definitely, definitely had those moments, for sure, and had moments of like extreme support and allyship. And I think Austin and the experience I've had here on the flip side is so incredible. There are some amazing organizations that are led by men in this community that absolutely champion everything we do for Austin women in technology. There are community partners. There are people in the community that that support us so much, and it's so wonderful. And, you know, really drive through the Austin community, like we need to be equitable. We need to see women in leadership positions. If you can see her, you can be her type thing. And that is very real. I feel like we read about that all the time, but that is like so incredibly real for young women to see representation at the top of companies. And so I'm super passionate about that. But to answer your question in very long form, yes, definitely experienced the you're a woman in tech. Are you sure to be a woman in tech a few times during during this adventure?

Erin Geiger: 15:59

Yeah, I and how do you kind of navigate that? Is it? Is it, you know, harnessing your passion for organizations like Austin women in tech and kind of like, okay, well, I'm going to fuel that that way. Or, you know, how do you handle it?

Emily Gupton: 16:16

Um, gosh. And think I'm reflecting this moment, you know, I think definitely any way that I can help a woman, Person of Color feel empowered, that they can do the thing that they're setting out to do. I am just like, here for that in all the ways. So that's definitely a way that I kind of harness that energy and put that back out into the world. You know, I think being that with some of those situations in real time, taking it in, debriefing, having a conversation, maybe with someone who is present with me, like expressing my feelings about it doesn't feel good to be made to feel like you can't do something right. And then part of that is also me being like, Yes, I can. Let me go show you how I am very traditionally driven by if you're gonna tell me, No, you can be like, Yes, I can. And let me go do that now. So that a little bit of, kind of all of those things

Erin Geiger: 17:11

got it. And let's talk a little bit more about Austin women and technology. I mean, I so we're connected on LinkedIn as well. And I feel like every night, I'm like, I don't know how this woman does it, because every night I feel like, and I'm sure it's not every night, but it feels like you are just out on the town. You are going, you're you're here, you're over there, you're speaking here, you're organizing this. So obviously, like, you're so humble. Or like, Well, yeah, I joined, you know Austin, you know AWT, but it's like, now I feel like you're running the show. So it's like, tell me, tell me about the organization. For those who in Austin who want to hear more about it, or for those that aren't in Austin who are inspired to start, or, you know, get involved in an organization, like, similar to that, where they are, tell us about the organization in general, and then also, kind of, like, your growth within it, and what you kind of do,

Emily Gupton: 18:00

yeah, yeah. So AWT, gosh. We've been around for over 20 years. We are a grassroots community in Austin. Started way back in the day before Austin was as big as it is today, by executive women that were here, and we're like, we need a community space. There were a handful of them, and that has obviously evolved over the last 20 years. Our organization, we've got about 600 active members, and that's been pretty steady for the last few years. People that kind of roll in and roll off as they navigate through careers or move jobs. But for us, we have a core event each month, whether that's just casual networking happy hour, we partner with Innotech and do their women in tech summit. That was actually last week. We've been selling that ballroom out for a few years now. It's really amazing. And so you know, for us, we our mission is we provide space for women in tech to connect, grow, learn and lead. And so we're predominantly like, come find a mentor, network, find your community, find your space to thrive, and whether you want to make a career change already in tech, whatever that looks like at any stage of life, we want you to come and be part of that community. Tech also doesn't have to mean I'm a developer, it could be sales. HR, you're trying to move into technology marketing. Everything is like tech driven. So we really want to just foster this community of wonderful women coming together and finding their space, finding their people to support them. At that moment in time, I'm clearly very passionate about what we do, but my journey with AWT, so I started four years, five years some, some years ago now, getting engaged with the community, and I remember speaking for the first time at an event, I got asked to speak about whatever I was working on. I cannot even remember, but I do remember the people I spoke with on this virtual thing. It was still kind of like covid era, and I was just so moved by number one, the opportunity to share my story. And number two, the like powerhouse women, I was able to meet and connect with and. Everybody was so wonderful. So I immediately was like, yes, I've all been on this community. And went on to I worked on the Programs team for a while, and then moved into a community partnerships role, and that was a new role for AWT. And I went out and learned about all of the different technology supportive communities in Austin who wants to partner with us, co programming, whatever, promoting each other's events, because we don't want to reinvent the wheel and tee up a bunch of stuff about quantum computing, because that's what Jay does over at the Austin forum. And so a lot of these organizations were like, pro collab, let's all, let's all work together and not regurgitate or be, you know, protective, like, Austin's just such an incredible supportive community. And so now I focus a lot more on, like, special collaborative event planning, like in a tech partnering with Capital Factory for Austin Tech Week, and some other things that we do throughout the year. And then I also just recently got onboarded on as president elect. So that's super exciting. I don't really know that it's like out in the full ether yet, but yeah, I'm, I'm really jazzed. So that'll happen. That transition will happen about 15 months. But right now, Nicole Plek has our our president, and she is just a passionate, passionate person about what AWT does, what it can provide for the community and supporting women. And she is just like a powerhouse person, and I'm so excited to to serve in this role under her, because she's amazing and has nothing but the most love and passion for what abt does for Austin?

Erin Geiger: 21:32

Yeah, no, it's an it's an incredible organization. I myself, personally need to get even more engaged with it than I have next Happy Hour exactly, I still get the email, so I need to go. No, it's so great. Because, I mean, I saw you guys out, you know, I was just like, I was craving that. I needed that community, you know. So I went to a few events, and everything was amazing. Everybody was very it's very inclusive, or is very welcoming. You know, we had Cherie, who does Fiesta over at Capital Factory. She was on the show, and I was chatting with her about, like, going to Fiesta, and how it was huge. There was, like, 200 people there, and everybody was talking to each other, and I felt this small, you know. And I was just like, how do I break into a conversation? And, you know, all that kind of stuff. And of course, everybody there is lovely as well, but it can be intimidating, you know? And so I do, and I do find, you know, the organizations or the events that care to women to be even more so, even more welcoming and everything so the work between you, Cherie, I mean, there's so many amazing, powerful, intelligent, incredible women in the Austin community. And we're so lucky to have you, have you guys, and you, you were doing work for the League of Women Voters of Texas. Is that our Austin I should say, are you still involved with them? Tell us a little bit more about that. That's also, I mean, the list goes on and on. Emily, seriously, like what you're involved in, what you're supporting. So tell us a little bit more about that.

Emily Gupton: 23:02

Yeah. So I was on the board for the League of Women Voters at the state level, so at their Texas level board, and I served on the board, I think, for, gosh, maybe two, two and a half years as their VP of technology. And you know that I love technology operations. I love how automation and things like that can drive a business a nonprofit, whatever that looks like for you. And so I was engaged with them to help them do everything from like manage Google Drive to how can we set up some processes and workflows to help their board and their internal staff function better. So I was very much like an internal facing role for their board, but the League of Women Voters. So at the state level, they are there lobbying during what they call lobby days, when we're in the legislative session, putting forward stances on different issues. They are a non partisan organization. They do, they do take strong stances on certain issues, and so they go and write letters and speak during the lunch session. And then, really, everything is about voter education. So how can we get people registered to vote, learn how to do that, navigate that through all the processes and actually get out to the polls and vote? And so then there's the Austin level organizations, and the ones that are in the community, those are, like, feet on the street. They're monitoring the polling stations, getting people signed up to vote and all of that. And so just an incredible group of women and men out there in the community doing that. And so that was so wonderful, and a space that I would have probably never organically found myself in if it weren't for like somebody referring me and saying, Hey, Emily, can come son, your board in the technology bucket and help you all navigate some of this stuff, because, because that's a lot like technology so proliferative. Now, for all organizations, you've really got to have somebody that's got a good, good handle on that to support that. And it changes so quickly. So I rolled off that board late last year, but they're still out there. Were just like crushing it and and getting the word out, get the vote out, and get all those things into the to the legis session, which I guess, just concluded.

Erin Geiger: 25:09

So, yeah, gosh, such important work, really honestly. And so as you've kind of taken on all these different these various leadership roles, like, what, what does success look like to you, and has that I'm imagining, it's changed over time. You know, depending upon what situation you've been in, or as you've kind of evolved as well.

Emily Gupton: 25:30

Yeah, for sure. You know, when I was much younger, I was like, Ah, I gotta know everything, and I gotta know how to do all the things. And if I don't know, it's not okay that I don't know, and that's that's not feasible. And so learned that later in life. And so, you know, success is I'm not afraid to, like, make a mistake or fail. I need to correct and not do it all the time, make the same mistake over and over again, but it's gonna happen. Like, you don't have all the answers. You don't know what the market's going to do. You don't necessarily know what this thing over here is going to do that's going to influence the decision that you just made. And so give yourself a little bit of grace. Don't be afraid to fail or admit that this didn't go as planned. And how can I pivot to make it work? That's something that I've really internalized, especially in building the technology platform and the pivots that we had to make listening to our customers as we launched technology tool into the ether, and, you know, lean on others who are experts in spaces where you are not to do those things and do them really well, and that's okay. And like the ability to let go of that and let my team or partners that are really good at marketing or these other things take on and do those tasks like that. That, to me, is has been a definer of success for me now in my career stage that I am now, right?

Erin Geiger: 26:54

Yeah, yeah. It's, it's kind of along the lines of like, you know, surround yourself by people who are smarter than you in other areas, right?

Emily Gupton: 27:02

Yes, very much. Yes, yes. AWT, right? Who's built technology before? Let me. Let me learn from you. Tell me all the things exactly.

Erin Geiger: 27:12

So how do you when you're you have, you have so much going on in your day like no day looks the same, I am assuming. And so how do you kind of, like, set the tone or tackle each day? You know, some people have things that they do, you know, meditate, workout, take some time in the morning. Some people just like, Get up and go, you know, so kind of, What's your philosophy there?

Emily Gupton: 27:35

Yeah, I'm pretty structured in my days. No, day looks the same, but I calendar very hard. Like, my calendar is my live or die, but I would say, you know, at the start of my day, I have a cup of coffee, I get up freakishly early. I'm one of those insanely early humans, and I'll do that. I'll kind of like, refresh what I'm working on that day, and then I work out. And I try to do that in the morning. Sometimes I do that at night, but that's really how I prep for the day. And my workouts give me that space to, like, be present with just myself and my body, and think about, you know, what do I need? What do I want to manifest today? And that's, that's my me time where I'm not talking to anyone. It's like almost the only alone time that I have. My husband. I live in 600 650 square feet, maybe so tiny space downtown anyway. So that's, that's how I prep for most of my days, coffee workout, answer, a couple emails and then, and then off to the races after that.

Erin Geiger: 28:35

Yeah, it's funny, because I'm very similar with my workouts, like, for a while, like I did cross it for years, and I'll try all I mean, I just, I'm a fitness enthusiast, I guess you could say so. I've tried all the things, however, for the past few years, even though once in a while I meet a friend for a class somewhere, like I work out at home. When I work out, it's solitude for me, you know. And I work out on my own, and I typically work out around the same time every day. But even if I don't, then I have that flexibility, right? I don't have to make it to a class, or I don't have to, you know, that sort of a thing, and I can pick and choose my programming, you know, what I want to like work on that day. So I really get that. I love that for sure. So what is there like a podcast or a blog or books or articles you know that you hold dear, you know whether or not it's professional related personal that you would recommend other people checking out.

Emily Gupton: 29:34

No, um, you know one of the most recent books. There's a lot of books. I'm mostly a books person in all of those buckets, podcasting for sure, when I'm doing long drives, one of the favorite ones that I've read recently that actually became recommended for my CEO is called Smart brevity. Have you read this? I have not so Axios. Are you familiar with Axio? Us the newsletter? Yep, so they have a secondary now, AI driven company, but also this book called Smart brevity. And it's like, how do you really condense what you're trying to say from like, a million words in an email to the most concise point that you're trying to get across? Because in journalism, it's like you read the headline you barely skim the beginning. And if you've lost me, like, more than likely, you've lost me, and I'm not going to read the 1000 words that follow. And so I actually, I have a whiteboard that's like, right in front of me, and I've got, like, my favorite bullet points from the book literally sitting right there. So when I, like, read my emails before I send them out for an entire company, or whatever that looks like, I'm like, Can I turn this down a little bit? Can I make it more concise? How do I say exactly what I'm trying to say in the fewest words possible? To give people back that, like, time and not have have, they need clarity, right? So that's been, honestly, one of the most recently impactful books for me, and I am just like embracing that in all its forms. And then, from a from a personal standpoint, I love Neil Gaiman's books. So he's got, like, this is pleasure reading books on Norse mythology and some other kind of fantastical things that I just kind of, you know, skim on vacation, read in my free time. He's one of my husband's favorite, favorite favorite authors, and he's got some great books if he needs something that's that's whimsical and fantastical and a

Erin Geiger: 31:25

little bit dark also, yeah, okay, that's awesome. I feel like we always need both, you know, because sometimes, like, I'm guilty of, like, leaning super into, like, the non fiction and the business and the strategy and all that, it's like, I gotta weave in these other things too. So that's great. Where can people find you online if they want to connect with you, learn more about what you're up to.

Emily Gupton: 31:47

Yeah. So LinkedIn, for sure, that is the only active social media platform I have, and it's dash, Emily dash captain, or like backslash, Emily dash captain is my LinkedIn handle, and then I do have a website, so it's Emily cake upton.com it's got like a overview of of what I've done in life, and then talks a lot about community, community engagement and and different things like that. I promise one day I'll probably have a blog or something of that, but requires a little more time in my life to write, yeah, but LinkedIn, connect with me on LinkedIn, please. I'll, I'll shoot, shoot me a note if you're interested in connecting, and I'll respond, and we can go from there. However, I can help you coffee recommendations, whatever you need.

Erin Geiger: 32:27

Awesome. Yeah, we'll include a link to that in the show notes, as well as the other organizations that you help support. And then one question I ask every guest before I let them go, is, if you could only listen to my music artists for the rest of your life. Who would it

Emily Gupton: 32:43

be? Glass animals, for sure. I was a big fan back in the heyday when they first came out with their first couple albums, and I've seen them so many times. I saw them at Red Rocks. It was amazing. Highly recommend. But yeah, I could listen to them on repeat forever.

Erin Geiger: 32:58

Okay, awesome. That's cool. I love it when people are like, they just know, some people are like, that's a mean question. Mean question. And why did you ask me? That's awesome. Well, thank you, Emily, so much for taking the time. It's always a blast to chat with you, and I'm glad we guys connect in this way as well. So I really appreciate it.

Emily Gupton: 33:15

Thank you. Thank you for this opportunity. And yeah, it was great. It was great. This is great. Love it. Thank you. Bye.