Welcome everybody to the latest episode of clover this week, I am overjoyed. I told Celeste so Celeste Morgan's is joining us. I told her. I was like, I'm just in awe of you. Best Selling Author, founder of the global award winning organization, days for girls, which we will definitely dig into. Celeste, welcome to the show. So happy to be with you. Aaron. I'm just thrilled at the conversation we're about to have. I always start with digging into a person's background, their history, their journey, you might say. So can you let me know what, how did you start, like, take me back, you know, and how did you get from from A to B in your journey? I mean, you can start as far back as before your career started, and kind of go from there? Sure, I actually started out wanting to be an electrical engineer. All in for that. For me, Jade electrical engineering was going to be the thing started out with that had a family catastrophe that diverted me from completing my college career and ended up with a gift of focusing on a family. We have six children, and we loved it. It was amazing. And there were days that I thought, well, I've made my choice. I've traded this beautiful joy for what could have been with my intellect and capacity will be focused on people building and lo and behold, I was several things happened, 45 and I got to finish my first master's degree creative writing and literature. Shortly thereafter, 47 and finished my second global sustainable development. And then days for girls began. The founded days for girls, and that was 2008 and it grew to be a global movement, step by step, day by day, and the most beautiful ways that was all about listening and paying attention and showing up, I have been in in awe of how it's all turned out. I'm one that can absolutely testify that there's this beautiful thing called seasons in life, and it's all not one track. Thankfully, we get to do many, many beautiful things. Yeah, I agree with you people, because I you know they'll tease me because I have the podcast, like doing all these things, but like people, like you, inspire me like but we can if we have multi interests and multi passions. That's what life's about. So tell us about days for girls, how, how you came up with it, what it is. Tell us all about it, because it's such a powerful movement that we, all the world, needs, and I'm so glad that you started it. Days for girls is a movement that helps women and girls have access to menstrual care and health education for the whole community. It involves the whole community, and it is actually providing menstrual products and education hand in hand. We today have enterprises as well, of days for girls all over the planet, clubs and chapters, of days for girls all over the planet, and today have reached just a sliver under 3.9 million women and girls in 145 countries. Wow. And it didn't start out that way when this began, I had no idea that it was even an issue, that people were going without what they needed and that it's limited their days. That's why it's called days for girls, giving days back. And what happened is, I was helping a friend with her school in rural Kenya, and they were providing education in a way that included the whole community, in a way that provided opportunity for the parents to engage and for it to be owned by the community. And so part of that was sustainable solutions, and that's my specialty. And so we were seeking more sustainable solutions, namely a health clinic. And while doing that, were introduced to an orphanage. And at the orphanage, there were 420 kids who are in really tight circumstances, and I fell in love with them and wanted to help. I started bringing sustainable solutions to them. Fast Forward, a year and a half later, post election, violence created a displacement of half a million people, and this orphanage now had 1400 kids. I learned that they were sitting on pieces of cardboard for days, no way to leave the room, no way to. Go to class, no way to take care of themselves, and in that moment of learning that I I was one astonished that I hadn't asked before, and to recognize something important. I have a background that that I now consider a gift, certainly didn't at the time, but I as a child, went without a home at times and went hungry at times. So while helping them, I recognize that if we provided money for pads and they needed food, which was in short supply, and we sent money for pads, it would be used appropriately for food. So how do you make a solution that could be counted on month after month? So we made our first washable days for girls kids, in addition to sending ahead money for them to buy single use disposable products. So imagine, in just three and a half weeks, amazing volunteers rally to make 500 washable menstrual kits, and they were in eight enormous green duffels, and we lugged them there. But before doing that, I asked, Who's teaching and what a period is? And they said, no one is you can which at the time, not being a world expert in this, that was a terrifying thought, but we had this wonderful conversation about how amazing our bodies are and that there's nothing to fear. It's actually a superpower, because without periods, there would be no people. And I got to watch the shifts in their body language and their joyous celebration when they got their kids, it was literally tears echoing off the ceiling. And then as we came out, a set of the girls stood there, and one of them said, Thank you so much, because before you came, we had to let them use us if we wanted to leave the room and go to class. I was hoping that didn't mean what I feared it meant, but it turned out they were being exploited in exchange for a single, washable pad, and that was the moment days for girls was born. Yeah, wow, that's incredible. I mean, it sounds like you were there for another cause and then stumbled upon this, you know, and like another way that you can serve and solve this problem. You said, didn't even know existed, and most of the world, I'm sure, doesn't know that it existed. I'm curious, when you entered various countries, were you openly welcomed? Did you face some, you know, some restrictions as you went, or how is, how was growing days for girls into these varied countries and cultures, we have responded to requests to come to the next place. We have, in some communities, people who were already serving their have brought days for girls, kits and the education, and then if they're welcomed and asked to return and asked to build local leadership through people that live there, then that was the next step. So it's always kind of by invitation and the remarkable global network of volunteers, it's been here's the education, here's the way to replicate it, here's the way to continue. So it's been really an amazing dynamic of trust and and also listening, because we had to listen to what they need, what's working, what's not working. Days for girls, pads have been through 31 iterations. We will hold two patents for the genius of listening to those we serve. And so a huge piece of it has been really recognizing that everyone everywhere has immense wisdom, and it's from all different viewpoints. And that's a powerful thing. So instead of coming in and saying, we have the solution, it's been, is this something you need? How does this work for you? Please report back. And it's been this incredible evolution of beautiful curriculum and and patterns that truly work and are proving up to last up to seven years. So truly amazing byproduct of listening and honoring the wisdom of those who serve and serve with, Wow, incredible. And when you say you were educating the girls right on this and how to how to take care of their bodies, you mentioned the community so were other is it sort of like generational education as well, like did you were you also educating any moms that were involved or other female figures within the community in addition to the girls? Yes, that's really important to invite them in as well whenever possible. And truthfully, to remember the teachers need them to the people that are picking the meals need them too. And and. To also, again, make it part of the community and held by the community, not an outside thing that comes once in a while, that can be held within the community itself. That's been truly important, not always the easy way, by any measure, but truly important, because when you literally have menstruation is one of the great taboos in our whole world. The word taboo comes from the islands where it meant two things, untouchable and also so sacred and powerful it shouldn't be touched so both. But as a world, response is tipped to this untouchableness, and so it is just that it really needs to be the community having the discussion. And that's what our curriculum and our invitations have all been about. Not coming in and saying you're doing it wrong, but coming in and saying, is this something you would like to engage in? Let's do this together. Yeah, kind of like locking arms together. No, that's smart. Yeah. So speaking of taboo, you have previously talked about a surprisingly taboo question that changed the direction of your life. So can you take us back to that moment that you first encountered that question, and what did it stir up inside of you? I'm curious. You know, it's so there's such a visceral response to not only menstruation, honestly. Do you know, in surveys two years ago in Canada, people would rather talk to their doctors about STDs than menstruation, which is like, wow, right? And that is changing. But the other pieces about education, about our bodies in general, there's been so much fear about it and and as if we have to manipulate it or make it in our flip charts, we have to call sexual things how babies happen, not because the children won't and the youth won't get it, but because the teachers will be like, you can't talk about that. And the truth is, our bodies are amazing, and they work in beautiful ways, and it is miraculous. And if we could shift from fear of basic biology to celebration of the remarkable way our bodies work, that is a huge shift for all of us, and really, that's what dates for girls is doing, for the volunteers, for the communities, for the girls themselves, for the families, is inviting everyone to look at it as a beautiful connection to all of us again, because without periods, there would be no people. So this is actually one beautiful superpower that connects us all. Yeah, I mean, it just, it's, I'll say it again. I'm just in so in awe of this. Like, how and especially now with all the turmoil going on in the world, like, how do you think periods and and broadly, women's bodies have been they've been such powerful sites of control, silence, taboo, as you say. So why do you why do you think that? Like, what is the emphasis of that? Pretty remarkable, isn't it? Yeah, when you look back at it and go, How did we do that? May maybe flip it. Well, I do think it's because of not having ways to manage it, except for isolation, right? If you didn't have a really good way to manage it, you would have accidents. There would be things that would frighten people. Everything we associate with blood is illness and injury. So it makes a lot of sense, and this is why I think it's such a powerful opportunity for all of us, if we can, for instance, look at the conveyor belt at the grocery store. You know, that belt that you put the things on, and imagine putting toilet tissue on it, how do you feel. And imagine putting period products on it, how do you feel, and if there's any difference in how you feel, measure, where did that come from? And could I make a new decision? Because if we all decide actually that's an amazing, beautiful, remarkable superpower, and we choose the flip side of taboo, the really powerful, beautiful thing, and we feel that in our guts, then it will shift. It won't just shift to we're okay with it. It will be recognizing, again, the remarkable beauty of how our bodies work. It's incredible. So if we could all embrace that ourselves and invite the people around us to go, what are we afraid of? Where did that come from? I'm not doing that. Then we literally, you and I and everyone we know can be the equivalent of the suffragettes. We can be the generation where the fear stopped and shift to celebration so powerful. I mean, what you have like a first row. See to this like, what does it look like when you see women and girls, they're essentially reclaiming authority over their bodies and their stories at the same time. So what does that look like to you? You know, when you see it happen, it's been so beautiful. I was once in Zimbabwe, a place where, at the time, you couldn't talk about it at all, not your aunt, not your mother, and and everyone was gathering, and we were, you know, they knew the agenda, and they knew we were about to talk about periods. There were two men in this room, one from the Ministry of Education. All the women are looking back at them, and there's this here, and the guys were getting uncomfortable. And then the gentleman from the Ministry of Education walked to the further and may I speak, and he said, You know, I never knew about this. I have a wife, I have a mother, but I didn't know about this until a runner came to us and had objected to she'd been kicked out of school because she refused to race because she had nothing for her period, and so they beat her, and she still refused to race. They had threatened to take her out of school. She still refused to race. And when I asked why, they said, because of her period, and he said, her, what? Because of her menstruation, her what? He said, I am an educated man, but I did not know of this because we do not speak of it. It is time for us to speak of it. And when we talked about, actually, you have this amazing muscle in your body called the uterus, and this is how it's all working. And so the next time it's happening, instead of being fearful or limited, not being able to do, what if you inside said, Without what I'm doing right now none of you would even exist. And I laughed. Mind you, it's being translated to two languages, but I kind of chuckled, waiting for a chuckle, but a chuckle did not happen. All of the shoulders in the room, like in a wave went, and I watched this relief that's to this day is is just remarkably powerful to have been in that moment with that when that happened and and over and over again, we've seen examples of how much it means to release a belief that you are lesser than in Nepal, there's been a practice called chopati That you're not allowed to be in your home, or even the pathway to the home. You're in a dugout or under the house, in the crawl space, or you're in elevated platform because you're on your period, and it's believed you could cause harm and curses to your family. So to protect them, you remove yourself from them. And so watching those communities, what can it be like if you recognize you can make a new choice, have the strength in your community and use ritually cleanse these pads instead of isolating? What would that mean? And I remember the moment a woman said, then we will be free. Wow. It's really powerful, not only to have what you need, but to recognize that your basic biology is not making you untouchable. Your basic biology isn't making you lesser than your basic biology is remarkable. Yeah, I mean, it's so true. And it's like, you've said, like, hormones, they're working for us, not against us, you know? And it's like, I mean, what would change globally, like, if everybody truly believed that? Like, how powerful that would be, right? It's true. So that starts with us, this conversation, truly to embrace that for ourselves. Yeah, did you immediately understand the scope of what you were stepping into? Did it unfold one step at a time? Yeah, yeah, not at all. In fact, when I got home, I when the book came out, I ran into a woman at a conference who was there the very beginning, at the very beginning, when it was just us getting ready for the 500 girls and I, we ran to each other, and I said, you know what's happened with days for girls at the time we were just about at 3 million reach she said, you're kidding. And then she said, you know, we thought you were crazy. And this is someone that was there from the beginning, and that was a belief that it was crazy to think that could be important outside of that single space, and then to run into people that were like, oh, I want you to come speak. I've heard amazing things about your speaking, and then to call back, oh, I just heard what you speak about. So we don't need you to come right, to have to have that shift to being invited to speak in front of 40,000 people at a time, has been beautiful to watch as that opens up. But it's not everyone. It's the ones courageous enough to say, Oh no, no, no, we're not doing that. We're we're actually leaning in. It's been so beautiful to watch that shift. And from the beginning, it wasn't us going to now we're going. To go here, but rather following the invitations, keeping the door open, inviting. So I would say one of the superpowers of days for girls has been inviting, instead of telling, including instead of shaming, and really stepping into each advance with the power of we, with people coming along, instead of intentionally starting a movement, that that wasn't it. If there were just those first 10 girls you could say no to being abused, who could go to class, this would have all been worth it for me. It just happens because many, many, many remarkable people, men, women, girls, boys, everybody came together, and now it's really close to 4 million. That's, you know, I feel like you've, you've built this trusting that the next step you don't see it, you know, or you see the next, you know, and it's like, or the whole path, you know, you just kind of keep going. So was that trust natural for you? Is it something you had to learn? Maybe the hard way that come about question, I think to do any of this, I had to have that faith that you know, this is where I'm supposed to be and what I'm supposed to be doing. Even if people said that's ridiculous, that can be done. I remember we were with the first board of days for girls. We were getting together to plan a new strategy. We had a consultant there, and she's she said, So what's your big goal? And I said, Well, I think to have 20 chapters and and she said, Well, okay, there you go. That'd be good. How many do you have now? One? And she goes, Okay, let's, let's go back to Measurable, Achievable things, right? And what about what else I said? I think, I think every girl everywhere, period, she's like, okay, okay, let's go back to measurable and achievable. But to me, at that moment, we put up these big white sticky sheets, you know, and everybody had markers, and we said, let's just say it's 10 years from now, and we have reached hundreds and hundreds of 1000s, even millions. How did we do that? Who did we talk to? What did we do? What kind of things led more people to find us, and how did we make sure that we could keep scaling with it? What did we do early on, we were building tiny, little systems, a little spreadsheet, and then we were like, well, how do we, how do we make sure we can be 10 years from now, big and have systems that can grow with us. Who do we need to do that with us and volunteer with us? And what do we need to do that? And instead of worrying about who's going to come fund, who's going to just who needs to connect for this puzzle, who needs to partner? Instead of it needing to be about us, us, us, it was like, Who else needs this? How do we partner, and how do we keep connecting with people so they know this is important to at an advocacy level, at personal level, for families and individuals and communities, and not as sustainability levels, so that, so that communities could embrace it, enterprises could happen locally, so that people locally could afford to be part of the movement. And really, so it was kind of working backwards. So what if we did the impossible? Quote, unquote, how would we do it? And reverse engineering, and then it was just work, the plan. And if we reach 400,000 more girls and women and community members, then that's amazing. That's way more than where we're at now. So let's just keep working the plan, not with the pressure of it has to be everybody, but the vision of everyone should have the gift of having what they need. Everyone. How do we open it up so people can come through the door and join hands? Yeah, that's so beautiful. I'm wondering, I know for a lot of listeners, this would help them as well, like when in times when you're dealing with moments of uncertainty, how do you personally decide when to move forward or when to wait, you know, maybe it's not the exact right time or, you know, how do you kind of look at that? Because I'm sure throughout this whole process, you've had many moments of uncertainty. So how do you, how do you manage that? Because I think that would help a lot of our listeners right now, especially with everything going on and personal and professional and all the things would be great to hear that perspective from you. I think that there's two things that have been helpful. One, really inviting others to be part of the think tank for that. This is what we ran into. This is what's working. This is not what. What's not working, what's possible here, and being willing to quote, fail forward. So, for instance, we could call the fact that the very first design that I made lasted like, you know, days before we went we got to do better than this, right? You could say, I'm owning this design, and that's that. Or you could say, what can we learn from this and what would be better? And you could also say that we failed 30 times. Or you could say we improved using the lessons we learned to make it stronger, because the first ones worked. They did the job. They helped improve things. They freed people from their rooms like but so if you look at it in the gain, instead of a gap of deficiency. Benjamin Dr, Benjamin Hardy has a great book called the gap and the game and and it's really, really looking at how far have we come, especially as high achievers as especially people that are intent on making a difference, on being their best. We are really good at setting the next target. We are really good at running for it and giving it our all, maybe sometimes too much of our all, but we're not so good at celebrating the mountain peak that we hit. We like look out for just a second and run down in the valley to take the next mountain. So in my opinion, for our team and for me, it was important to celebrate. It was important to intentionally set opportunities to celebrate instead of, ah, there's 500 million women left to go, and there are the do you go? Do you know how many people we have reached? It's a stadium worth of people in just this year. I mean, that's that's amazing. All that freedom for them have their days back. That's, that's incredible. Let's stop for a minute and go. All that connection, a greater force and opportunity that they get to use however they want. And we got to be a small part of that. That's, that's remarkable. And that gives you the energy to go to the next place and be willing. You cannot progress unless you're willing and able to risk failure. You can't jump to the next thing unless you're willing to take the step that you don't know where it's going to land. And that, instead of being terrifying, can be well, so adventure ahead, and it's okay if it doesn't turn out like what I wanted it to, I would say that curiosity is a superpower. And here's what I mean by that, instead of, I am committed to this, therefore that, or I have failed, I'm committed to this outcome, and I'm really curious to see where that leads. Curiosity has been a really important part of my journey, yeah, and it's, it's almost like not seeing it as uncertainties, right? It's just like, Okay, what is the next rung on the ladder, the step we're going to take, you know, and as it, and I love the way what you were saying, it was like you're not looking at it as this or that. It's like we're moving in this direction, and we're going to learn as we go. And it might shift, and we might go over here, we might go over there, and it's all fine, and it's all okay. And I think a lot of people get paralyzed because they're like, Well, I want to do this thing, you know, and then if it doesn't pan out, or if they're proven wrong, they just stop, you know. And it's like, what would happen to the world if everybody did that and just didn't move forward? Because things didn't happen as they planned, and they were uncertain, right? So it's like, and I'm wondering too, so you're entering into environments that we talked about, like stigma, shame, maybe some cultural resistance do exist. So how do you go into those situations and hold any sort of authority or, you know, collaboration, you know, and have people actually be heard and hear and have the chance to hear others. How do you manage that? I think this is actually one of the reasons days for girls has done so well when we enter a room, it is not to come correct them. There is no part of me there to judge them, nothing, and that honestly is in part, having survived poverty, people treat you even as a child, like you are not relevant, like you don't see. Be what's happening, right? But the truth is, you're so aware, so so so much potential and strength, right? I remember being five years old, if I might digress to get back to that, and I was walking around long a pathway, and I was barefoot, feeling the warmth of the sidewalk, and a small dog locked walked into view, and I followed the sparkling collar and leash all the way to the owner's hand, and she had a half eaten apple. Honestly, it had been a long time since I'd had an apple, and she threw it into the dumpster that was near me, and I was thinking, Could I climb in, get that and still get out. And then I had that feeling someone staring at you, and I looked over, and sure enough, she was giving me the up and down look. She said, Where are your shoes? Girl? And in that moment, I remember what I said, because I played it over and over again. I used to think of her as Cruella de Vil. And I said, I'm toughening my feet. And in that moment, it was like a mirror turned and I could see what she saw when she looked at me, a small, dirty, unkempt, skinny little girl. And but there is this wave of first shame and feeling small, and then this warmth, assurance, you're not from here, you're not this place. And and that did something, that moment made it so I had this recognition none of us are where we're from. I'm not from here i i We are all so much more than these situations and circumstances we're in. We are so much more than that. And I wanted to tell her that, but she had already gone but that stayed in me, if you recognize that we are all way more than any moment, way more than the possibility you and I even understand right now that immense potential is ahead. I believe we're just walking to that day. Right? All the things in your heart that you want to do that has been this thing, wouldn't it be great? We're just walking that direction. If you want it go, you can get it, but step by step, not one giant leap, usually. So if you you have all of that inside of you, like the seeds of an apple, all of it, it's just the next best step, and there will be side rails, like you said, but that's okay, because you just take the next best step. So when you walk into a room and there are people from Nigeria, Ghana, and there are tough things they've been facing, and you walk in and there's no part of you that's going I've got the right solutions, you guys clearly need me, but instead, I'm so grateful for the opportunity to be with you, and I have something that I would invite you to consider partnering if you would like to, and to be completely open to they might say no, and if they do to celebrate that, that means they're saying yes to something better for them and a better match for them, and it gives you the opportunity to say yes to the one that's looking for you. So if you can walk into the room from that place of neutral desire, Oprah said that the reason she was so successful, what as she finished her show, one of the things she said was that each interview, she's filled up more interested than worrying about being interesting. So if we arrive at a stage to speak in a meeting, to connect with the desire more to be interested in what they need and want, how the what might be possible in this moment, then you are the outcome, because you trust that you're on the path to the things you want and others need. So it's okay, no matter if you get a yes or no. That was true for funding, that was true for connection, that was true for communication, if you can show up and trust that you are so much more than any moment, then great things are ahead. Gosh, there's so much there as you're talking and I'm like, yes, so it's like, because if these thoughts and passions are placed on our hearts and our minds. It's, it's there for a reason, right? As you were saying, it's like, and you can go and accomplish it, you can't go and get it. One of my favorite phrases I heard once was the world is up for grabs, right? And so it's like, and like you said, it's one foot in front of the other. And I feel like so many people. Stop, because then there's a lot of comparison. Well, this person already did it, this person did it faster, and this person, you know, it's like, no, no, we're all on our own journey. Here. We're all on our own path. There's only one you in your perspective and where you come from and how you would do it that I think so many people feel small, instead of, you know how like take up space and how empowered they could really be. And when you said, I'm toughening up my feet, I just wanted to cry. Like, that's such a powerful I mean, I would imagine you brought that into your life throughout, like it was kind of like a woven you know message throughout how you live your life. Would that be accurate to say, Yeah, that's really, I haven't thought of that though. Yes, I would agree. I would really agree and, and I think it's also, as you said, that it came to mind, we are tempted to minimize where we are right now, when we can look back and be nostalgic about things and look forward and and be excited about things, but we tend to minimize what we're doing right now. Oh, I'm only doing fill in blank here. But each season has really important opportunities, understanding growth and potential in the joy of this moment. I know that sounds Woo, woo, but it's true, this is the moment, and we minimize where we're at right now. I don't know why we do that, if we can, instead, just really celebrate where we are right now and and recognize there are gifts here. Can I say that day's hurdles started in 2008 in 2010 I had something I didn't know was coming, and it resulted in a hormonal thing, interestingly, that resulted in a massive seizure, like snake bites and and lightning all at once in my head, and they it took them 45 minutes to stop it. In it, in essence, created a brain attack. So for almost, almost a year, I it was difficult for me to have my eyes work together to read. I it was difficult when I walked, I had to hold a wall so I wouldn't fall to the left. I would I had trouble even standing for long. It was really, really challenging, right, and in that moment, it felt like, well, this is it. And interestingly, it didn't shift and start getting better, until I finally got to the moment, instead of fighting it going, well, I've read a lot of books, a lot a lot of books, and more and more people had to step forward to help me. I couldn't be the only one answering the calls, because I had trouble speaking clearly, right? I couldn't be I got to invite more and more people in to cover things. What a gift for days, for girls, right? And importantly for me, as I went on to have the gift of being a global, award winning CEO and writing a book and all of these things, I knew that it wasn't me. It was the power of we and for me, with faith, it was divine support. I knew, I knew I wasn't alone in this. This was miraculous, that it kept growing so and I found that to be such a gift and and of importance. Speaking of next step, the girl who honestly had no shoes went on to walk beside world leaders all over this globe, and the woman who could no longer read went on to write an international best selling, award winning book, and and the woman who thought she had the gift of being a mom, and that was going to be it. Got to go on and do all of these and invite my family along with me. We, if we can, just be present in the moment with the remarkable gifts, even the worst of it, every experience I have ever had has turned into a gift. The experience of really difficult poverty led to the understanding that days for girls needed to be built from the power of we, not from condemning, not from pushing, but from offering it led to a deep understanding of the wisdom of honoring those who serve with right that became a gift that has been immensely important, and I would say all of it has been if we can live each day Recognizing and flat out looking for and being grateful for, even the hardest things, then it quickly turns into just beautiful paths unfolding that we can trust. Yeah, because really, you having that childhood and that. History. It's why you were able to do what you do. If you didn't have that, you could do something similar, right? It's not going to be exact, right? And so it's like those formed, those experiences and your perspective. And I just think the perspective you have is so refreshing, because so many of us get bogged down in the day to day, you know, and we don't look at the moment, you know, at hand, like, Okay, this is what we have. And I am powerful, and I can make I can walk toward this passion that I have, or this like thought that was placed into my head for a reason. I think so many of us just look around and we're like, Oh, it's too hard. There's too much going on. I can't What am I going to do? Who am I to do this? You know, and to kind of like shift that perspective, which it takes, I feel like it does take work, you know, to shift that, because it's almost like the the natural, what do they call it like? The reptilian response is that it's like the cortisol and all the you know, and your nervous system and you know and stuff, and it's like, it's almost like this manual thing that you have to go through to, like, really be like, Okay, nope, this is what I'm going to to, how I'm going to think and perceive things. And I just feel like you've the way you're describing things today is so refreshing, because I feel like you practice that you know, and each day and each decision that you make, tell us, and I know I'm gonna wrap up, but you're just so fascinated to speak with. Tell us how the book came about. I'm so curious. Oh, that was it was to me. It took four years to write it. I wrote it on trains, planes and automobiles. I actually would come home and I would tell people, you know, what had happened in speeches and connections and leadership and and, and, and there was, I was only touching the tiniest bit, right? And people would say, I wish I could go with you. So as I wrote it, it was so important to me to write it with all the sights and smells and and all that connection, you know, in it, and to make it just so authentic, so that people could come along. I wanted that everyone to get to hear their stories and and see the massive miraculous proof that I was being able to see that we really are all connected and so much more and we share in common than we do differences and and that there is tremendous hope that anything can shift. If you can make menstrual health into a global movement, you name anything we can't do, because, honestly, so it it's such i i hoped and wanted that to happen. I wanted people to be able to read what happened to me and see the little footprints of how you recognize the potential in your life and not identify with the hardest times, and how those very hardest times bring board us into strength, if we choose that and and so I was determined that I did it step by step. Incredible. Well, it's called The Power of days. We're going to include a link in the show notes. I want everybody to check that out and then separately, it's a fun question I ask every single guest, because I am super passionate about music and the arts in general. But music, I always ask every single guest, if you could listen to any music artists for the rest of your life. Who would it be? Oh, unfair question. Oh, I have so many that I love, right? There's so many good ones. Oh, I don't I honestly don't feel qualified to answer that question. What would you choose? What would you choose? So mine is funny, because it's a group that I've loved since I was way younger, the Beastie Boys, and everyone's like, what? But they've really, they're across so many. I mean, there are hip hop but they, as you've seen them, when they were came out, when they were young, and how they transitioned and matured. And I just, I love them, but I'm it's an unfair and mean question, and I realize, no, really. I, I love music, like all of it, classic all the way through. So I, I can't even begin that you just blew my mind. But I am going to look into Beastie Boys now. Okay, see, you'll see. But they even went through like a Buddhist phase, like they just, they're just great. So, so Celeste, if people want to connect with you online, what's the best way for them to do so, find me on social media, LinkedIn. Days for girls website, you can find us through there too. Days for girls.org and happy to connect with anyone awesome. Glad you asked. Yes, thank you, and we'll put those links in as well. So thank you, Celeste. This has been such an illuminating discussion, and I know so many people are going to get so much from it. So thank you for being so vulnerable and transparent in what you have shared. I'm so grateful the joy to be with you today. Let's do it again. Let's do it again. I'm going to hold you to that. Thanks. Celeste.