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AI, Healthcare & Bringing Humanity Back to Medicine with Anna Sizova

Erin Geiger - Muscle Creative Season 5 Episode 132

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Anna Sizova joins Clover for a conversation that spans global healthcare, leadership, reinvention, and what it really looks like to build a life and career across countries, industries, and identities. Anna shares her journey from growing up in Azerbaijan and becoming a pediatric endocrinologist to leading global clinical trials and eventually stepping into entrepreneurship, mentorship, and health innovation leadership in Austin.

We talk about what happens when other people reflect your value back to you before you fully see it yourself, the realities women still face in healthcare and investing, and why Anna believes healthcare needs more humanity, not just more technology. We also dive into AI in healthcare, patient advocacy, motherhood, resilience, and building community without waiting for permission.

In this episode, we discuss:

  •  Anna’s path from physician and clinical researcher to founder, advisor, and community builder in healthtech 
  •  The identity shift from corporate leadership to entrepreneurship — and learning to trust her own expertise 
  •  Why women in healthcare and innovation still face major barriers when it comes to raising capital and being heard 
  •  How AI is already transforming healthcare through diagnostics, patient care, and operational efficiency — and why cybersecurity and ethics matter just as much as innovation 
  •  The importance of boundaries, resilience, and staying grounded through uncertainty, relocation, career pivots, and personal hardship
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Hey everybody, welcome to Clover. I have Anna suzova with me that this week, I'm so excited to talk to you, Anna. We've been trying to do this for a little bit, and so we're finally here together. So welcome to the show. Thanks. Erin, yeah, I would love to talk with you. Like, it's been a while right after South by Southwest, and I lost my voice, and we rescheduled everything, and we are here today. We made it happen, yay. So I usually just jump right in and ask, you know, you to kind of walk us through your journey. Like, how did you get to where you are today? And I think people also appreciate, like, oh my gosh, I was going through this personally as well. Like, you know, this was happening, and you know, because it just resonates, people can connect that way. So, yeah, if you would let us kind of know, like, how you started your career journey and how you got to where you are today? That would be amazing, yeah, for sure. So I would say my career started from my dream to be a surgeon in my elementary middle school age, and I've been so passionate about health care, about be a pediatric surgeon and so on. So it's my dream is chasing me the whole school and high school, and then I got my girl. So I been in the medical school. I've been as a pediatrician. So I graduated medical school, and during the school years, of course, I work as a nurse. It's been common situation, which typically for, you know, medical side of people, and yeah, and then I got my residency as endocrinologist, and during the endocrinologist side, I've been as a doctor who been participated in clinical trials to treat patients for global clinical trials for Big Pharma. And it's been my two years journey. And at the end of my residency, the company, now it's my alma mater, company, offered me position, and because I've been in a different country and different, you know, lifestyle, so I never regret that I joined and switched my clinician life to research and clinical trials, life which give me opportunity to work with fantastic people worldwide, because this is American corporate top five, first year old clinical research organizations and pharma across The World give me opportunity to travel for business. And, you know, meeting a lot of people know how we can help patients. And at the end of the day, I got my relocation for us 10 years ago. So and in my previous position being like as a medical out leader, I would say I had a choice being in US, Australia, in England and New Zealand, so I never been, yeah, right. And I've been battling between US and Australia, but Australia gave up just because of this wild life, which is actually in Texas too, it's just different size of venomous snakes and spiders. That's so true, yeah. How did you How was that transition, you know, kind of like, up in going to a different country, like, tell us a little bit about that, because that had to have been a huge culture shock as well, for sure. But us is my first country, so it's not been my first transfer or first relocation, first time my come my family moved from Azerbaijan. Originally. I'm from Baku Azerbaijan. My family been like 100 ish years in this country. So I'm a last generation from back home. Still have my passion to come back and visit. I still have my classmates and my neighbors. Many, many years we are in a close contact, but switching in one country to another when you already have some relocation experience. And I think it's, you know, also about personality. I'm easygoing person. I don't need to have a lot of luggages, or I have memories with me all the time, right? And I have people worldwide so. And plus, I would say, for some reason, it's been challenging, but might be less tricky for me to relocate, because I've been removed relocate as inter company employee. That's mean, then I moved from one country to another, like I knew that in two weeks I will have my paycheck so. Don't need to survive and feed my free independence and my cats. So that's different story for sure. It's not like when you are giving green cards, one in green card, and you don't know English. So like, I worked for American corporate before, and of course, English being my business language, so But absolutely, it's been still some tricky, you know, being a British English accent in Texas, it's been quite challenging for first year, for sure. And were you when you came to the US? Have you always been in Texas, or have you kind of moved around a little bit? So no, I moved to Texas, to Austin. It's been my choice. So company, luckily give us options, and it was just 3050, miles, close to big airports, which been, you know, one of the role as being as a medical auditor. So I travel a lot to visit hospitals and clinics and review patients data, but otherwise, yeah, Austin been my hometown for last nine years. Never regrets. I love Austin, and you know how Austin changed for like, it started like 10 ish years ago, but last six years, it's blooming and booming, right? So yeah, but I will travel. So five states left. I hope in two years, I will be done, and 50 states will be in my pocket. Oh, my God. I'm pretty sure you've been in more states than I have. That's pretty incredible. I'm impressed. That's That's pretty amazing. Okay, that's great, yeah. And so were you saying that most of your family is here, or are they still back home? No, I have no relatives in Azerbaijan. They left because my family been refugees. So we've been spreading in a different countries worldwide, and I still have my parents in Russia, which currently tricky situation. So I can't visit them, like I can't they can't visit me. It's really hard. And I know it's part for most of countries who are currently in a war, or, you know, some politician situation. So it's a local countries worldwide, right? But here I have my kids with me, so I have high schooler and middle schooler. Yeah, that's my my family. But because I have a lot of social circles, I have my local family here, for sure, and they are also been transferred for business, or they moved before to from California. So we are via multi cultural family, I would say, and help each other to be here. Yeah, I love that. It's like your chosen family too, you know? And, yeah, I just, I feel for you with the situation with your family and Russia, that's got to be really, really hard that you can't see each other. I have a good friend who is from Iran, and he's in the similar situation. He can't see he can't get there, they can't come here, and it's just really heartbreaking, you know, it's a tough reality. I have my Iranians friends here. I know, like, for last couple months, what's going on right around, without any internet, powerful connections, I've been in a situation, so I know how it's hard. Same for Ukraine, yeah, yeah. Israel. Like, I'm not political person, so like for me, I'm always going to human being side. Yeah, exactly. Now, I know, in the Israel situation, I was working with this company, and they were having a conference, and they were supposed to have this gentleman speak on stage in the, you know, in London, and he's from Israel, and he had traveled to Italy, and he's like, I can't go like, I can't get out. I can't get to London, you know. And so he's like, I can't get home to Israel. He's like, I'm kind of stuck in Italy. So it's just, yeah, it's kind of a crazy what's going on right now? So, but we should talk to you, because I have two kiddos, and one middle schooler, he'll go into high school in the fall, and then I have a freshman at university, so we have kids that are similar ages, so I get it, but I'm lucky, actually. You know, we kind of passed this teenage mode because we've been super busy and because always recommend your new parents when we will start their journey, just keep your kids super busy from first days until at least High School. Yeah, benefits, for sure, for us and for for them. Yes, I agree with you. My oldest was in marching band in high school, and it kept him so busy. And as you marching band. Here is like football, like, it's very our school is a top marching, okay, yeah, you get it. That's what his, his as well. It was like state champs, like the whole thing. So it was just like top tier. But our younger kid, like, doesn't want to do band, you know? And we're just like, you gotta pick something. You got to be busy in high school. So figure it out. I am curious, though. So from you've been through, you know, kind of different career changes, like all in the healthcare, medical field, but kind of different changes in your role and obviously locations, and as you've kind of grown in your career, what kind of shaped how you think about leadership along the way. Are there certain kind of moments you can think of, or just in general, like when I first started my career or when I Were You know what kind of impacted your leadership style today? I think when you are in a corporate side, it's just coming to you naturally, plus your mentality and your personality, it's for sure, if you feel this passion inside of you, you wanted to be a leader, right? And you want to be a team player, that's one side. But like, four years ago, I had a story, and I think we mentioned this before, right? As a corporate person, I've been in a corporate bubble. So yeah, I had my career ladder, but at the same time, I realized it was kind of corporate mind, personal crisis. What I want to do next? Because I feel I still have passion to change the world. I wanted to change healthcare or be more patient centric, because that's our big healthcare problem worldwide. Have patient on the PD style at first so and I've been battling and because I like painting and I had my hobby as a photographer, so I was okay, might be I wanted to open Art Gallery and do something different at this time. And then two years ago, I went to Austin tech week, here in Austin, of course, in met couple better companies and help them to solve problems, which for me, was really easy, and for them, we've been struggle for a couple of months. And all these people pushed me to start my founder journey as advisory consulting company, because people starting to show me my value of my expertise and my background, which I never feel it the same way how I feel it today. Yeah, and all these people just showed me, you know, like, reflect me, who I can be and how I can help today. So I think my leadership, from my corporate mindset, starting to grow, like two years ago, and it's growing and keep moving every day. And more projects are coming to my path, more visibility I have more I feel this really valuable, and people can hear me, can hear my voice, and can reflect what I would love to scale and how we would love to execute together. Yeah, that's huge that you mentioned that like that you see the value of your expertise and your experience and everything. Because I think for so many, especially for women, we don't naturally see that, you know, and we're just kind of like, oh, anyone can do what I do, or nobody really cares. Or, you know, I need to up level. I need to get better, and that sort of a thing without celebrating who you are today, and the skills you have you have today, and the impact you can make today. So you were saying that other people kind of reflected your value, and then you understood, you know, like, what you have, can you talk a little bit about that? Like, how was that like, realizing, Oh, wait, you know, I do have value in my experience and everything. Just share that a little bit. Because I think some people think some people are still going through that. Yeah, and I think this is important to share, just because we not realize until someone comes up to us, and we'll start to talking about the side of us, right? And a lot of young generations, ladies who are feeling so insecure, and all of us insecure inside, right? In some different ways, it's totally fine. It's our psychologist process. And some days we can be insecure less or more. I have my insecureness like and at the same time, you know, I have my accent, right? And for some people, it will be some tricky part to go on stage and talk or be publicly speaking. For me, it's never been like, Yes, I can do mistakes, yeah, but this is my third language. It's totally fine. People understand me, and if we don't, they can ask me questions. So this insecure level. I passed, sometimes I feel insecure if I need to speak a lot of publicly. But then I realized, you know, a lot of public speaking people in the high level global stage, we have their own scripts. It's not like we just coming and talking non stop. Yeah, I can talk non stop hours, but yeah, and everyone is learning. So I would say last two years been really journey. And thank you to all people who came to my life and to show me who I am, how what kind of value I have, and actually be open more my passion and open more my mentality to keep moving and starting to build it like something valuable for all our people. And like today, again, like four years ago, three years ago, two years ago, I've been fully corporate person, and today I'm a founder. I had my co founder journey last year be a co founder of AI surgeon startup. It was again lesson learned. Of course, it will be bumping, and everyone need to understand this. But then people pushed me to start my own events, because we seen how I became natural, connected for them, and I never thought about this until I realized that I got this DNA from my grandma, and yeah, and today I mentor and startup judge, and more I'm talking with my mentees. More I see that how we think differently, and everyone can bring their value and woman leadership. Going back to this conversation also, this is important, and now I started to hear from my mentees or just people who are meeting during our virtual or in person events. Oh, Anna, I would love to be like you in the next couple of years or each and that's so sweet for you know, it's just giving me wings. That's got to feel so good, you know, to hear that and know, because people are watching, you know, and like we don't think about that, you know that people are watching the moves that you make and are inspired by you, even though we ourselves might think we're not, we're no big deal. And we're just, you know, moving through life, but it's like, no, you just don't know people are watching and inspiring. My little news that you make, for sure. And so you had mentioned, you know, you spent many years in clinical trials, and those are so structured, you know, and precise, and now, and you're like, I was corporate, and now I'm a founder, right? So now you're building these communities and these ecosystems, and you're kind of bringing together founders and innovators and investors, which is so exciting. So what was that shift like for you? Right? I'm going going from like corporate to founder. What was that experience like? It came to me naturally, because I never felt like again two years ago. I had no idea that I will be founder. Yeah, I just trying to find my path, and it's just happened. And every day I'm learning, every day, constantly before AI with all these innovations, and in some piece, I'm more subject expert. Sometimes, like I feel that I need to work on this, or might be it's not just my area, but I really enjoy to study and learning and networking, giving you also opportunity to see what is yours, what is not. And I'm always telling people, don't try to duplicate someone like you need to have your own path. Because, you know, like a lot of influencers today, I'm not talking about healthcare in general, we duplicate each other and trying to hype on this to get more followers. It's been never my goal. So I am more for quality people instead of quantity. And might be it's helping me and more people coming now, and it's so sweet when you are going to any networking around taxes and people say, Oh, wait, I know you, you're on that. I saw your LinkedIn posts. Ah, that's awesome. Yeah, that's so cool. And so that's another example of, like, you putting yourself out there and just being yourself and other people noticing and listening to what you have to say, you know? And it's like, I'm sure you know, you're not every morning thinking, I wonder who's gonna you know, how many people are going to see my post today. You know, it just happens, yeah, and I post, what come into my mind, if I saw interesting article, I just review and do my, you know, summary and post service, because I would love to that people will see what kind of data are coming from Health Tech. Met. Side, because I'm still in healthcare, right? Like, live by designs and so on. Yeah, yeah. And I love that, and I love how you were saying that you just love to learn. And so it was kind of a natural progression to go corporate to founder, because it wasn't like a stark departure, because you just, you're, you're a lifelong learner, you know, and you're always asking questions and so and so I think that's huge for people as well. Like, you didn't just, like, know, you know, oh, I'm now a founder, and I know all the things, you know, it was like, it's gonna be an experience. And you realize that. And so you ask questions, and you're kind of learning along the way, which is how I approach it as well, yeah, and it's okay to have no answer as well. And what I learned in 2025 I'm learning how to say no as well, yeah, because it's been not in my personality or my country mentality, how I've been raised. So because of country mentality, you need to please. You always need to say yes and like I'm happy to help people, but it's impossible, and I started to talk about this often, as I taught my kids, like, you need to know your boundaries in a good way, yeah. Like, if you're in a aircraft and you need to put oxygen mask right, you need to put on on your first to help others. Yes, exactly, yeah. So this is kind of mentality which I'm right now growing inside of me, and I think it's important. Yeah, no, it's 100% important. And, you know, and then you have, you know, your kids, and so it's like you so you came to Austin. You have three dependents, a cat, right? Are you one cat or more, or multiple cats? I had one cat, and we lost our Russian cat from cancer after two months. So we during, I don't know if you've been here in 2017 we had hurricane Harvey. It was huge, floating in Houston. So we adopted one cat, and in one year we adopted from, like, I am a supporter for Austin Pets Alive community for last nine years. So, yeah, always keep telling people just, just adopt. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's beautiful. I love that. And so like, when you've done these moves or these taint changes, you really haven't had, you know, a safety net, honestly, right? So you're kind of moving around, doing your thing, you know, progressing. And some people are afraid, right? They have this fear of change and to take a big leap or to take a step. So what do you say to those people you know, because you made a lot of decisions based upon not knowing what was going to happen, you know, and so, like, what did you see something that maybe others didn't or, you know, what would you say to people who are like, I want to take a next step in my career, or I want to change careers, but I'm scared. I don't know if I can take that next step. What would you say to them if they have some career today might be the need to start something in parallel as a hobby and try on if it will fit for them or not. Don't quit right away. Again. Depends on the situation, like, if people have some safety boost. It's fine, right? But if you were just from paycheck to paycheck, it definitely will not work. And plus, you are not sure if this new path will fit for you. So do baby steps sometimes, and try on, and I'm sure it will help. But again, my personality is so different. I'm like Aries woman, and I am, I don't know like I want to be in another next five years, countries travel worldwide and scale execute, and I wanted to explore Asia, because, for sure, at this time, I will be done with all 50 states and us, and I will visit all Latin America countries for work, for business and pleasure, because I'm building parallel community with Latin America people and women in health care. And yeah, Asia is my goal. So, like, I'm not afraid, just to go again and start building. If you have one time experience, you will not afraid, yeah, just step in. It's kind of, it's some kind of game sometimes, right? It's just how you project it. And I've been always positive, no matter what in my life like, and I've been through for a lot, trust me and like, relocation is a simple way where I've been, yeah, What? What? What's been the hardest for you, you know, to kind of like what i. Life impact has been the hardest for you to manage with everything else you have going on in your life. Like, how do you manage when things happen in your personal life and you're trying to grow your your professional life? And you know, for a lot of people, like we were talking about earlier, there's a lot going on in the world right now. People are facing a lot of different really tough situations, you know? And you've said that you've been through a lot, you know, how have you kind of come through those tough, those tough moments? It's a really good question, you know, because it's attached to all our hearts. My own experience last 20 ish years, I'm not watching TV News. I'm not reading any news or politics situations, because if something happened, you will buzz in. Your phone will buzz in, right? So you will get all these notifications. But I'm trying to be as much as possible out of this zone, because this is negative energy, and I'm believe with energy and universe and spiritual side, so it's really close to me, and at the same time and the corporate and the clinical trial side. Last 10 ish years, I've been in an oncology, immunology space, and patients being adults and pediatrics. So and I think this is great lesson learned, because sometimes people have some diseases, untreatable diseases, and we starting to appreciate via everyday life more, and we starting to value it. So I think patients now have goosebumps. Patients showed us how important to live your life daily and do whatever you want in a good way, and have your family, your friends, your kids, your pets, and just not thinking what will be next, or I will live my life then I will retire. This is kind of mentality for a lot of countries. I know in us is different, but this is important live your life today, and if you want to switch your career During it and at the same time, what I'm telling my kids, try, try and your negative experience, will bring your more, yeah, if you will positive experience, yeah, you will be happy, successful, but that's it. But negative experience, it's a learning process, and you will be more stronger, no matter it's your personal life or your business life, yeah, 100% agree with you. It's like, yeah, it does. It makes you stronger. It makes you more nimble, scrappy, you know, to, like, get to the next the next stage. So I agree with you there. Okay, yeah, so, because sometimes, you know, you think, Oh, no one been in this situation before. I'm a deep down right now, I'm on a button, right? Yeah, but then you realize some hand have healthy problems, more or other stuff going on So, and you are not alone in this world dealing with something. Just, just stay positive, and this darkness will comes out after, yeah, exactly. What is that phrase? This, this too shall pass. You know, it's what I say as well. So you've talked about kind of being at the intersection of capital and consciousness, which I love and so, and it's like an interesting way to frame your work. So what is that? Actually, can you, like, talk a little bit about that, what that looks like in in practice and and maybe where you see, like, people like that, could improve when they're trying to balance innovation, investment impact. But, yeah, talk about that, capital and consciousness. That's so interesting. So in one angle, what I'm trying to do in 2026 to find all these billionaires who are hiding in Texas and educate them to invest in healthcare, life science, just because when I'm going to investors events, often, if it's general investors events, I can hear, Oh, Anna, you're in healthcare. No, no, we are not interested. Real Estate, yes, software, yes, because it's easy for us. We understand this industries, and I wanted to educate them, because I have my clinical and clinician background and founder journey. So I've been in all these shows, right? And I can tell them, if it's a long term game, it will be like five, 710, years journey with FDA, clinical trials long term, or we can flip for wellness, holistic, and it will be more suitable for them so and at the same time, I wanted to educate them from investors capital side, that this is important. Want to invest in something, what will comes tomorrow, and what will help our patients tomorrow? Because all of us, at the end of the day, we are patient, right in a different way, but we are, or someone will be, and we need to think about this, not just how many buildings we will build, and if it's a high quality buildings, or it will be new locations, or after magic systems, healthcare, longevity, to invest in this site, because in this country, in our countries, but here I see, like, it's a big pattern. What? Because I'm here, like nine years meaning to educate people, and it's not only Oh, you can go to the grocery and buy healthy food, not everyone can afford this, but to to realize and understand pattern, how we can change us. And I wanted to bring holistic way as well, from capital side mind on the main point of view. Because if we will start to go or think holistically from our first day on this earth, we don't need to have a medicine, because we will, you know, in a so different shape, yeah, right, that's my main goal. Yeah. It's kind of like bringing humanity back to health care, you know, right? Yeah? Because right now it's a capital. This is what I can see. It's a capital, yeah? And we are hunting for this, and all these corporates, all these big farmers, we still having fantastic LinkedIn pages or website pages and showing how we became patient centric. But in reality, it's still capital bureaucracy, machines as a government. It doesn't matter in which country we are. It's just pattern for all of us, right? Yeah, it's big business first, because then we will start to talk. And now I'm happy to see more like patient advocacy or advocate are around, not just in Texas, worldwide, because a lot of patients who surviving after some procedures or disease, they starting to be loud and talk, and they want to bring their patients vision how to change this healthcare system. This is people who I wanted to, you know, emphasize for whom I wanted to support and bring their visibility, because only with them we can change this and and same just to see the government in the round table and talk how we need to change all this policy. Because AI is here, we are starting to adapt AI and healthcare as a tool, but the documents and procedures which we need to apply, like for FDA regulations, is is still not the same level as we have all these innovations today. And documents need to be definitely released and cut. And it should be summary, you know, like 252 500 pages. Yeah, wow, yeah. I mean, I yeah, I agree with your point. It's kind of like elevating the voices of those who have been through the healthcare system, who have experienced it, and it's hear from them, you know, to improve. And you touched on AI a little bit talk a little bit about that, like, how do you see AI impacting healthcare and and with what you do in particular. So with AI, I really enjoy AI, I am digital person, and AI, amazing tool for healthcare because it's already exist. And first steps being with integration AI for as a note takers for hospitals, for clinicians. So it's really many hours for our healthcare providers to take notes and follow ups with patients which is perfectly fit and any senior living space also, you know, it's important in our stage, it's when AI starting to incorporate your diagnostic procedures, which I see a lot of startups right now, from idea to CB execution level stage or the building something like an histology reports or MRI ultrasound. Then it's incorporated with AI, and it still exists, and it still will be under human being, Doctor supervision, for sure, but this is a great tool, which showed us in a seconds and targeting what is wrong. So for doctors, it will take time like doctor will you. As example, will need to review, I don't know, 20 MRI per day and be sure, but he will not miss anything, because this is a critical, it's patient's health. Targets with AI will be, you know, for five minutes, 10 minutes, and then Doctor will just review all these targets and will make this decision. And if he or she will feel that she needs to go back and review all data, he or she can do this as well. So that's fantastic. Or from histology perspective, you know, sometimes we need to have a tissue from different orders, like a sample and to reviewers under microscope like in the back before AI, before all this technology is still old fashioned microscope and doctors just sitting in a healthcare providing sitting and give you under microscope. So losing via back to like 5070, years ago, losing via technically vision, just because you need to work, like, eight hours. And checking this today, I've been in San Antonio by first event this Tuesday, and it was amazing device now, before screen, you don't need to see this microscope. You have like tab, and it showed you everything. And it's also with AI in the corporation. So it's targeting you some zones which are abnormal, yeah? So yeah, here on the first note, privately, yeah, right. And as a target, also in defense, a lot of projects right now, happening, so, yeah, I'm enjoying, yeah, I mean, it's, it's exciting, you know, it's like, it's, we've only scratched the surface with it, and, you know, it's going to keep getting improving, you know, yeah, one most important part of AI integration, it's a cyber security today, and it should be in a so high, top level and government need to have supervision, because this is a patient's data. Yeah, exactly. And I think that's the big concern, you know, up and down, like throughout industries, is securing it, you know, because that's first and foremost, especially when you're dealing with human data, and then you're dealing with, like in other industries, it's financial, it's, you know, and so it's, that's the big, yeah, samples, bio samples, because this is a dangerous site, you know, this data will be stolen. So, yeah, I know that's a huge concern. So as you're working with founders, investors and leaders, kind of across teams, have you seen kind of trends of like, who's in the room and who's not, who's in those discussions and who's not? You know, whether or not it's like, more male dominated, or, you know, are you seeing more marginalized groups become more involved in what you're doing, or talk a little bit about kind of like, what you're seeing in that respect, from gender perspective? Yeah, it's, it's still, I think it's a 5% of women in the room, and like more women, if it's concern wellness and holistic side. But for health tech, med tech, it's still, yeah, less us to belong to this room and still like, I know some people can tell you, Oh, that's not true, but I still hear this. And if I'm talking with founders, woman founders, we also confirm this situation, so it's not easy to raise in health care, yeah, as a woman founder, I know like for cosmetic procedure, for plastic procedures, you know, all this side, it's so different, yeah? Because this is easy innovations and it's different market situation. So, yeah, we can raise millions and billions. I know this stories, but in the healthcare it's still tricky, and I still hear some stories when people say, like, yeah, you need to hire a man to raise your capital. Which is insane. Yeah, that is insane. That's that's a sad part. So I hope I will change this somehow. Just keep educate investors around. Just talk with them more. Just do webinars, have in person connections, conversations or virtual ones, and that's why I started launching my global woman healthcare community, which is called Hera. It's health, ethical, resilience, authority. So it's acronym, because this is my medical mind always creating acronyms, which. Will, you know, find right path for us to collaborate and be part of community worldwide and as female investors, female founders, you know, scale, execute or advice, yeah, and for for next, future generations, also to educate them, don't be afraid to step in and do whatever you want and scale well. Thank goodness for people like you that are involved and making a change. And I love that it's named Hara. That's amazing, and that segues perfectly into one of my last questions, like, what are you most excited about moving forward, looking forward with what you're working on. You know, what kind of gets you excited and out of bed? And we'll, we'll include links to Hera as well in the show notes. But let me tell me, like, what, what makes you smile and what gets you excited about what you're working on now? So right now I starting to talk about this is just an early. Earliest ideas precede level stage. But I'm starting organized health house for South by Southwest 2027 already. So I pitched for South by Southwest team, and I wanted to bring all us as a Texas together and collaborate and have two free days with UT and Dell medicine and biomed SA and Houston and Dallas teams and nuclear team is non profit organization, so all of us together for high level panel discussion, you know, and like, really reunite in Texas, we are together. I feel this when I walk into the conference rooms. But at the same time, I wanted to bring our Texas healthcare visibility worldwide, so people will come here and live bioscience here, and amazing projects and amazing startups happening here. People just need to know this and start to work with us. And we have a government support, which is really great. That's incredible. That's my passion for 2027, and yeah, more more investors who will join us. More better, because I have, right now, pool of startups, because, as a mentor, I start up Judge, I see them almost every week. Yeah, that's amazing. I'm excited to hear more about that. You know, as you as it progresses, that's really cool. Yeah, like I started to pre screen venues because I want to be in a downtown, yeah, and this is something I pre screen while So, like I have already started to talk with them. Now I'm looking for sponsors, of course, who would love to support healthcare and healthcare innovations in Texas and bring this visibility for sponsors as well. So, yeah, I I love that. If people want to connect with you online, what's the best way that they should do that? I would say LinkedIn. Okay, that's kind of, you know, I'm starting to say that it's a business social, Tiktok, yeah? Which is easy, yeah? Like, I stopped posting in my personal Instagram and like, I'm most posting in LinkedIn, because I'm always going to all this networking, high quality events, and I would love just to emphasize and my takeaways and so on. Yeah, okay, yeah, LinkedIn, but I will. We can leave also my website, which also linked with my LinkedIn, so it's not a problem. Okay, great, yeah, we'll include that in the show notes. And then just the last fun question that I ask everybody, because we love music over here, if you could only listen to one music artist for the rest of your life? Who would it be? That's a tough question. Yeah, at the end of our podcast challenge, I'm a mood girl. So like, I can listen different music and the whole day, like I can start with something light and like Chinese meditation music. Like my alarm right now it's birds crisping, yeah, because it's easy for me to wake up then during the coffee morning routine, I would say it will be something like energy, Lady Gaga, my Cyrus, or something like this level. And sometimes during the day I have my taxes mode and I have country music, yeah, so I like, I have a palette, you know, and some days, like, I have only classic music, because I'm a big classic lover. Yeah, got it. So it's hard, it's hard, but I will think about this next time. I might tell you, okay, but I'm not sure, but it's possible for me, you're opting out of the question. Shit. I love that. Well, thank you so much for your time. This discussion has been incredible. And yes, I think we need a part two at some point to continue this discussion, because it's a big one. You know, the innovation of healthcare and tech and how it impacts our world and Texas and all the good things so but thank you for your time. I thoroughly enjoy the conversation. Anna same. Erin, thank you so much for inviting me, and I'm looking forward to hearing more your stories, which you will podcast with more women as well. Yeah. Awesome. Thank you. Thanks. Bye.